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Liberalism is a virus. It began to spread across Europe centuries ago and was later carried into other parts of the planet where it evolved and then returned back to Europe even more virulent than before. Liberalism, is, of course, used here in the philosophical sense, not in the sense that it is used in the United States' electoral and political sense. Liberalism, for the most part, is synonymous with capitalism, and in this Patreon reading and analysis of the classic text, The Liberal Virus: Permanent War and the Americanization of the World, we go on a journey with the Egyptian and French Marxist, dependency theorist Samir Amin to explore the rise of liberalism and its implications for people and the planet.

In doing so, we explore the basic tenets of liberalism, how it elevates the economy above all else, how it distorts human relations and infects us with pure economism and an exchange value mindset. We take detours into Mark Fisher's concept of capitalist realism, into postmodernism and how it has been deployed as an ideological weapon against Marxism, into U.S. electoral politics and how identity is utilized by the liberal class, into U.S. imperialism, world systems theory, and much, much more.

Further resources:

• The Liberal Virus: Permanent War and the Americanization of the World, by Samir Amin

Related episodes:

• Walter Rodney, Marxism, and Underdevelopment with D. Musa Springer & Charisse Burden-Stelly
• Palestine Pt. 11: Israel and the U.S. Empire w/ Max Ajl
• [UNLOCKED] How the North Plunders the South w/ Jason Hickel
• Dialectical Materialism w/ Josh Sykes
• Climate Leninism w/ Jodi Dean and Kai Heron
• The Missing Revolution w/ Vincent Bevins
• What is To Be Done? with Breht O'Shea and Alyson Escalante
• Capitalist Realism with Carlee

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Pan-African Marxist, underdevelopment theorist, guerrilla intellectual, father, husband, radical—these are all terms that we could use to describe Walter Rodney. You may know him from his classic text, How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, you may know that he was assassinated at the age of 38 for his activism, or you may not know who he was at all—either way, his ideas and his influence have most likely reached you, if not directly, then indirectly, through the waves and ripples that his life and work created in the many intersecting liberation movements throughout the planet.

Described by some as decolonial Marxism, by others as Pan-African Marxism, or just as a continuation of Marxist theory as applied to the African continent and the African diaspora, Rodney's work has been monumental in advancing and applying scientific socialism to updated physical and temporal regions which were not covered extensively until Rodney. His theories on underdevelopment as part of global capitalism opened up new spaces for theorizing and understanding imperialism, colonialism, and neocolonialism. His work in academia was imbued with a radical, guerrilla, fervor which resulted in institutions and states taking great measures to silence him, and the impact that he had was so monumental that he was tragically assassinated in his home country of Guyana almost 45 years ago.

We've been exploring many ideas on the show recently that are founded on much of Walter Rodney's work, and so an episode on his life and work are past-due. And we have brought on two guests who we could not be more excited to be having this conversation with.

D. Musa Springer is a cultural worker, community organizer, and journalist based in Georgia. They are the International Youth Representative for Cuba's Red Barrial Afrodescendiente and an organizer with The Black Alliance for Peace. They produced the documentary "Parchman Prison: Pain & Protest (2020)," and are the host of the Groundings podcast. They are currently working on a documentary project titled "Y Mis Negros Que?", and their book Alive & Paranoid was published in Spring, 2024 by Iskra Books.

Charisse Burden-Stelly is Associate Professor of African American studies at Wayne State University, a member of The Black Alliance for Peace and Community Movement Builders, and author of Black Scare / Red Scare: Theorizing Capitalist Racism in the United States, published by the University of Chicago Press. You may remember that Charisse was on the show last year to talk about Black Scare / Red Scare.

In this conversation, we introduce Walter Rodney biographically before we dive into his work applying scientific socialism to Africa, theorizing underdevelopment and capitalism as a world system, applying his work to events happening in the world right now in places like Palestine and Cuba, what Rodney had to say about education and academia, and much, much more.

Further resources:

• Charisse Burden-Stelly
• Black Scare / Red Scare: Theorizing Capitalist Racism in the United States, by Charisse Burden-Stelly
• Alive and Paranoid, by D. Musa Springer
• The Walter Rodney Foundation

Related episodes:

• Upstream: Black Scare / Red Scare with Charisse Burden-Stelly
• Upstream: [UNLOCKED] How the North Plunders the South w/ Jason Hickel

Intermission music: "A Song for Walter Rodney" by Bocaflojay

Cover artwork: B. Mure

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What do sex scenes in film have to do with the crushing weight of capitalism? How have our bodily desires and passions been ambushed, commodified, and exhausted by the constant, catastrophic impacts of a system that alienates as it extracts? How have we been trained to conflate consumption and activism under neoliberalism, so that the very act of consuming limits our political aspirations and actions? And why the hell are there so few sex scenes in cinema these days?

These are just some of the questions we explore in this episode as Robert reads a beautifully-written and wide-reaching piece by friend of the show Carlee (co-host of the podcast Hit Factory): "The Puritanical Eye: Hyper-mediation, Sex on Film, and the Disavowal of Desire."

Further resources:

• "The Puritanical Eye: Hyper-mediation, Sex on Film, and the Disavowal of Desire," by Carlee
• Hit Factory
• Carlee on Twitter

Related episodes:

• Upstream: Capitalist Realism with Carlee

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As socialists in the United States one of our most important tasks—at least under our current material conditions—is to raise class consciousness among the mass of people: the basic work of tuning people in to the existence of structures and systems that define and limit our lives.

As much as we on the left might take these things for granted, it's always important to remember that many, many folks out there don't think of the world in terms of socialism, capitalism, Marx, Engels—certainly not the relations of production under monopoly capitalism. But that doesn't mean they don't get it. If you live under capitalism, you get it. If not theoretically or in terms of political analysis, you get it because you might hate your boss, or your landlord, or you might wish you could spend more of your day watching your kids grow up, or you might have had to skip a pill here or there because you couldn't afford refills from the pharmacy. Most people get it. They just might not have an ideological framework within which to situate their frustration, their anger, their sadness, their hopelessness.

So, in light of this, sometimes it's helpful for us to frame issues of anti-capitalism and socialism in ways that are easily relatable and accessible. This is what our guest in today's episode has accomplished in her latest book, which uses relationship analogies to provide you with everything you need to know about what a healthy relationship with our political economy could actually look like, issue by issue—from healthcare and housing to the whole concept of American democracy. Malaika Jabali is an award-winning journalist, policy attorney, life-long socialist, and author of the book, It's Not You, It's Capitalism: Why It's Time to Break Up and How to Move On. In this conversation we have a wide-ranging discussion about raising class consciousness, Malaika's organizing work in the midwest and the deep south, what different visions of socialism look like, and why it's not too late to break up with your toxic partner and begin a new, thriving relationship with your new boo: socialism.

Further resources:

• It's Not You, It's Capitalism by Malaika Jabali
• Malaika Jabali

Related episodes:

• Upstream: Worker Co-ops Pt. 1: Widening Spheres of Democracy
• Upstream: Worker Co-ops Pt 2: Islands Within a Sea of Capitalism

Intermission music: "Cost of Living" by Mom Friend

Cover artwork: Kayla E.

This episode of Upstream is brought to you in part by Alluvium Gatherings. Alluvium Gatherings designs, plans, and produces events for social and environmental justice movements that allow people to come together to solve the challenges of our time. Learn more at alluviumgatherings.com

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Weight loss has become a fully fledged industry in the United States—another classic trick by the capitalist class: manufacture a problem to make profits, and then sell a half-solution back to the population to purportedly address that problem. Are you experiencing health issues from the poisonous food manufacturing industry in the United States? No problem, we got you. Here's a drug.

You might have heard of a drug called Ozempic—if not, don't worry, we'll bring you up to speed soon, but for now, all you need to know is that it's a brand new weight loss drug that swept its way through Hollywood a couple of years ago and has now found its way into the bathroom mirrors of people around the world. Some predictions actually suggest that in a few years, a quarter of the U.S. population will be taking these drugs. In fact, it's become so widespread that there's been a decline in the stock value of companies like Krispy Kreme, the doughnut brand, which analysts have directly attributed to the growing popularity of drugs like Ozempic.

But what problem are these miracle weight loss drugs really trying to solve? If they are meant to increase our health and well-being, how do they actually impact health indicators? And what if the ultimate solution to the problem of increasing stress under capitalism and a poisonous food industry is more complicated than injecting yourself with appetite suppressing hormones?

These are the same questions that led today's guest on a journey from Iceland to Minneapolis to Tokyo to find some answers about the impacts of industrial food manufacturing and "miracle" drugs. The answers aren't black and white, and they take us through a deep and widely varying conversation that spans from body positivity movements, to weight loss drugs, fast food, anorexia, body dysmorphia, health and healing, and much more.

Johann Hari is the author of the books Lost Connections: Why You're Depressed and How to Find Hope, Stolen Focus: Why you Can't Pay Attention, and, most recently, Magic Pill: The Extraordinary Benefits and Disturbing Risks of the New Weight-Loss Drugs. In this episode Johann tells us about his experience experimenting with Ozempic, the benefits and drawbacks of the drug, what it taught him about shame, willpower, and healing, and whether these magic little pills are a pathway towards liberation from diabetes, cancer, and an early death, or if they're just another symptom of and false solution to a system that poisons us for a profit.

Further resources:

• Magic Pill: The Extraordinary Benefits and Disturbing Risks of the New Weight-Loss Drugs, by Johann Hari

Related episodes:

• Upstream: Stolen Focus with Johann Hari
• Upstream: The Political Economy of Food with Eric Holt-Gimenez

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Righteous indignation, truth, justice, and, maybe most important, love. These are some of the pillars that support the work that Dr. Cornel West, today's guest, has been committed to throughout his entire life.

Dr. West, as you may likely already know, is a longtime political activist, philosopher, theologian, and public intellectual. He is the Dietrich Bonhoeffer Chair at Union Theological Seminary where he teaches courses in Philosophy of Religion and African American Critical Thought. He's the former Professor of the Practice of Public Philosophy at Harvard University and Professor Emeritus at Princeton University. Dr. West has written 20 books and has edited 13, and is best known for his classics, Race Matters and Democracy Matters. Dr. West is running for President of the United States with Vice Presidential candidate Melina Abdullah with the Justice for All Party.

In this conversation, we explore what inspired Dr. West to take up the electoral path and take a stand against the corporate parties of our decaying empire—the Democrats and the Republicans. We talk about electoralism as a tool in a much larger toolkit of the left, a toolkit which includes trade union organizing, direct action, and building class consciousness. We talk about the importance of love and art in our movements as an antidote to capitalism's totalizing, soul crushing hegemony in these dying years of the U.S. empire, and we discuss why it's necessary to infuse our struggles here in the United States with an understanding of imperialism and the impact that the United States has on a global scale.

Further resources:

• Cornel West 2024

Related episodes:

• Upstream: A Marxist Perspective on Elections with August Nimtz
• Upstream: The Political Economy of Jazz with Gerald Horne
• Upstream's Series on Electoralism

Intermission music by Noname

Cover art by Berwyn Mure

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There's a widespread misconception among a significant number of people—including many on the left—that when it comes to the U.S./Israel relationship, it's Israel that's pulling the strings. It's the belief that Israel is pulling the United States into something that it doesn't want to be involved in, that the Israel lobby has held our policymakers hostage, and that the United States actually really, sincerely cares about the wellbeing of Palestinians, but that the White House, the State Department, and Congress, are all beholden to nefarious Israeli actors. Some even think that blackmail is involved.

There's something compelling to some about this narrative—it allows them to ignore reality, hiding the blood-soaked stains of U.S. empire under the rug. It conveniently dismisses the fact that the United States is literally built on the bones of the murdered, whether ethnically cleansed Indigenous children, enslaved Africans and their ancestors, or the child workers of the 19th century—to name just a few examples. The U.S. has no qualms about dead children, let alone innocent adults.

And when it comes to so-called Israel, the United States' relationship with the zionist entity is a relationship with a client state—a state which ultimately serves the interests of U.S. capital and U.S. imperialism more broadly. Don't be distracted by liberal bloviations and other forms of erroneous analysis—the United States is willfully committed on all levels.

And if you're asking, well, why? Why is the United States so committed to its relationship with Israel? Well, that's exactly what we're going to be discussing with this week's guest. Max Ajl is a Research Fellow at the Merian Centre for Advanced Studies at the University of Tunis, a Fellow at the University of Ghent, and a researcher with the Tunisian Observatory for Food Sovereignty and the Environment. He's also the author of A People's Green New Deal and, most recently, a two-part article titled "Palestine's Great Flood." Max was also featured prominently in our two-part audio documentary The Green Transition.

In this Patreon episode, Max provides us with a Marxist-Leninst analysis of the U.S.'s relationship with Israel, unpacking how Israel has served as a watchdog for the U.S. in East Asia and how Israel has served the U.S. empire in crushing radical left movements globally—particularly, of course, in Palestine. We also discuss the role of the Israel lobby, the mechanics of imperialism and capital accumulation on a global level, and where the sick, twisted, morbid relationship between the United States and Israel might be headed.

Cover illustration: Berwyn Mure

Although the episodes in our series build on each other in certain ways, all of our series are designed so that each episode can be listened to as a standalone.

Further resources:

• Max's ResearchGate page
• Palestine's Great Flood Pt. 1
• Palestine's Great Flood Pt. 2
• A People's Green New Deal

Related episodes:

• Upstream's Ongoing Palestine Series
• [UNLOCKED] How the North Plunders the South w/ Jason Hickel
• Dialectical Materialism w/ Josh Sykes
• Donate to Middle Eastern Children's Alliance (MECA)
• Anera: Provide urgent humanitarian aid to Palestinians
• Gaza Mutual Aid

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"What Israel is doing right now has nothing to do with antisemitism. What Israel is doing right now is a genocide. What Israel has been doing for the past 75 years is apartheid, is occupation. There is no need for any one of us to serve in the IDF. The IDF should not exist. The state of Israel should not exist." These are the words of a former Israeli soldier turned anti-Zionist organizer: Meital Yaniv.

Meital describes themself as a "death laborer tending to a prayer for the liberation of the land of Palestine" and has recently written the book Bloodlines which traces their paternal lineage being survivors of the Holocaust and subsequently migrating to Palestine. From there, Meital traces their lineage through indoctrination into Zionism and as settler-colonists, and defenders of the so-called "state of Israel." Meital then describes their refusal to serve in the IDF and their subsequent departure from Israel and development into a death doula for Zionism and Israel.

In this conversation with Meital, we hear about what it's like to be raised "extremely Zionistic" and to serve in the IDF. We learn about the consequences of trauma that is passed down intergenerationally and what is necessary to truly heal individually and collectively. We explore how to talk to people who defend Zionism and the state of Israel and what the tradition of Judaism would say about Zionism and the genocide of the Palestinian people. And finally, Meital offers invitations for how we can all contribute to bringing the state of Israel to an end for the liberation of Palestine.

And finally, Meital offers invitations for how we can all contribute to bringing the state of Israel to compassionate just death for the liberation of Palestine.

Although the episodes in our series build on each other in certain ways, all of our series are designed so that each episode can be listened to as a standalone.

Further resources:

• Bloodlines by Meital Yaniv
• Meital Yaniv's website

Related episodes:

• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 1: A Socialist Introduction with Sumaya Awad
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 2: Justice for Some with Noura Erakat
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 3: Settler-Colonialism and Medical Apartheid with Rupa Marya & Jess Ghannam
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 4: False Solutions and Paths of Resistance with Sumaya Awad
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 5: The Political Economy of Palestine with Adam Hanieh
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 6: One State with Ghada Karmi
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 7: Direct Action w/ Max Geller of Palestine Action
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 8: Indigeneity and Settler-Colonialism w/ Krystal Two Bulls & Sumaya Awad
• Upstream: Palestine Pt. 9: Palestine 2031 w/ Nadia Zanghari
• Donate to Middle Eastern Children's Alliance (MECA)
• Anera: Provide urgent humanitarian aid to Palestinians
• Gaza Mutual Aid

Intermission music: "Arvoles Yoran Por Luvias (Trees Cry For Rain)" performed by Gloria Levy

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The imperial core—which is comprised of settler-colonial states like those in Western Europe, as well as states like the United States, Canada and Australia—have been stealing the resources and labor of the Global South—or the periphery—for centuries. It started with the direct colonial violence and resource exploitation that marked much of the last few centuries, but it didn't end there.

Neo-colonialism—a term that you're probably familiar with—is broadly defined as the use of economic, political, cultural, or other pressures to control or influence other countries, especially former colonies. But what does it actually look like in practice? How is the imperial core still plundering and pillaging the periphery? The practice of widespread crude, cruel, brute force that marked direct colonialism may not exist in the same exact form as it once did—but the outcome is still the same: mass extraction and exploitation from the Global South which has resulted in a staggering net transfer of resources, wealth, and labor to the Global North.

In this episode, we're going to discuss the mechanisms and extent of neocolonial extraction and exploitation as they manifest today, and we've brought on the perfect guest to walk us through it.

Jason Hickel is a professor at the The Institute for Environmental Science and Technology at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, the author of the books The Divide: A Brief Guide to Global Inequality and its Solutions and Less is More: How Degrowth will Save the World, and the the lead author of two papers that we'll be focusing on today: "Imperialist appropriation in the world economy: Drain from the global South through unequal exchange, 1990–2015" published in journal Global Environmental Change, and "Unequal exchange of labour in the world economy" forthcoming in the journal Nature Communications.

In this conversion we explore the theory of uneven exchange and how it sheds light on neocolonialism in practice, we discuss some of the key findings from Jason's research on imperialist appropriation in the world economy, we dispel some of the myths perpetuated by those claiming that capitalism has lifted "millions out of poverty," we talk about what a just degrowth transition of the global economy would look like and, crucially, how we might achieve it.

Further resources:

• Jason Hickel
• "Imperialist appropriation in the world economy: Drain from the global South through unequal exchange, 1990–2015" published in journal Global Environmental Change

Related Episodes:

• Upstream: The Divide – Global Inequality from Conquest to Free Markets with Jason Hickel
• Upstream: International Development and Post-capitalism with Jason Hickel
• Upstream: How Degrowth Will Save the World with Jason Hickel
• Upstream: The Green Transition Pt.1 – The Problem with Green Capitalism

Thank you to Berwyn Mure for the covert art.

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You can listen to the full episode "Suburban Hell and Ugly Cities" by subscribing to our Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/upstreampodcast

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Why is even just driving through suburbia soul crushing? Why are so many cities and towns in the United States so…ugly? All of us here would probably agree that car-centric city planning and corporate development are huge factors to consider when asking these questions. But what exactly about this type of planning and development is it that feels so oppressive? What exactly is it about that strip mall that makes your heart sink? What exactly is it about that suburban lawn that makes you feel so uncannily uncomfortable? These are some of the questions that we explore in this Patreon episode.

In this episode Robert reads and comments on two separate but related pieces: Why even driving through suburbia is soul crushing, by Alex Balashov and Compromise, Hell! by Wendell Berry. These pieces explore the anti-social, barren, and soul-crushing aspects of how we, under late-stage capitalism here in the United States, design the spaces we travel through and live in. From freeway interchanges that jut out like decaying exo-skeletons, to the barren eight-late expressways that cut neighborhoods in half, to the giant lawns, fake porches, and kitschy columns that ornament many suburban homes—this reading not only calls out these monstrosities but explains what they do to us on a psychological, nervous system, and social level.

Further resources:

• Why Even Driving Through Suburbia is Soul Crushing, by Alex Balashov
• Compromise, Hell! by Wendell Berry
• 27:10: Images 1 & 2

• McMansion Hell

Related episodes:

• Upstream: Everyday Utopia and Radical Imagination with Kristen Ghodsee
• Upstream: Capitalist Realism with Carlee Gomes
• Upstream: Dialectical Materialism w/ Josh Sykes
• Grassroots Urban Placemaking with Mark Lakeman

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