In this episode, Laura's off yelling at clouds, and the notable Jess Ivins steps in to talk about learning, education and how to keep growing as a UX person. Jess says smart and helpful things while Kate rambles on but does get in some good references to articles she did not write. A highlight is how to talk to your boss to get the company to invest in your learning.

Drink pairing: The dark, inky joy of a good Malbec.