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“The promises of the American experiment and liberty are still what people want, and they are most in tune with what does it mean to be an authentic human being. Communism, on the other hand—it only works by force. It keeps its own people locked away in countries that are essentially gulags. It doesn’t value the human person—the fundamental dignity of men and women as they are.”

In this episode, I sit down with Eric Patterson, the president of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, to learn about their research on Venezuela and China.

“You could go [to China] for such and such a price and get a new lung or a new liver or something on 24 hours notice. Now, what kind of organ industry can advertise that you can shop around, and on a very, very short notice to get a vitally needed organ?” asks Patterson.

We also explore a key flaw in American foreign policy.

“We misunderstood how to deal with the Taliban, we misunderstood how to deal with the Iraqis, and so many other places, when we didn’t take seriously the religious milieu in which they live, in which they make decisions,” says Patterson. “And this is also true of secular states like China ... There is a ruling ideology that’s been expressed by President Xi.”

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.