Andrew Jones says that "the point of politics is virtue. To “do politics” is to engage in making other people virtuous, or it is not politics at all, but an evil or a farce masquerading in its name."

In this podcast, Alex Plato and Jacob discuss virtue—what it is, who has it, and how to get it. In particular, they discuss the Thomistic versus Franciscan notions of pagan virtues to tie it back into Andrew's argument that political orders must be Christian to form men's souls in virtue.