Vision Pros

Note: This episode was recorded before Apple announced the preorder and launch details of Apple Vision Pro. 

Oliver Weidlich is Director of Design and Innovation at Contxtual. We discuss his design work in spatial computing that predates Apple’s unveiling of visionOS by several years. We also dive into his experiences with other headsets including the HoloLens and the Magic Leap 1/2. 

This episode is sponsored by Glisten. Glisten is the "Good Listen" podcast app for Language Learners. It's all you need to immerse yourself in a language, on the path to becoming fluent. Learn more at www.glisten.ist. Download Glisten now for iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch. 

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon.

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Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

Links: 

https://mastodon.social/@oliverw

https://www.contxtu.al/spatialcomputing

https://www.thisishcd.com/episode/oliver-weidlich-creating-immersive-experiences-with-spatial-computing

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10269051

https://www.aweasia.com/blog/oliver-weidlich

Chapter Markers:

00:00:00: Opening

00:01:49: Support the Podcast

00:02:32: Oliver Weidlich

00:07:00: Unlimited apps

00:10:33: What have you designed in the past?

00:11:28: What headsets have you tried?

00:18:26: Magic Leap

00:21:31: Outdoors

00:22:16: Your first experience 

00:23:46: Hololens

00:26:30: Apple's potential

00:29:14: Sponsor - Glisten

00:30:51: What has your team been working on?

00:35:30: Unity

00:36:31: Buying AVP in Australia

00:36:49: Spatial Computing

00:38:36: API Limits

00:42:34: Year to year upgrades

00:45:54: Interaction Methods

00:50:25: ARKit apps in visionOS?

00:52:21: AR Research Paper

00:56:32: AI

00:58:57: Australia

01:00:29: What questions do you want Apple to answer?

01:02:46: Anything else?

01:07:00: Where can people follow you online?

01:08:02: Closing

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James Swiney from Pixel Art Games is hard at work bringing Void-X to the Apple Vision Pro. Void-X is out now for iOS and Apple Watch if you’d like to try it out before it launches next year on visionOS. We cover a ton of ground in this episode about gaming’s potential on visionOS, developing games for visionOS, is SpriteKit actually supported, launching a visionOS app from Australia (where Apple Vision Pro won’t be available), and much more!

This episode of Vision Pros is sponsored by Agenda, the award winning app that seamlessly integrates calendar events into your note taking. Learn more at www.agenda.com. Agenda 18 is now available as a free download for macOS, iPadOS, and iOS.

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon. 

Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!

Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

Links: 

https://www.jamesswiney.com/

https://mastodon.social/@jamesswiney

Chapter Markers:

00:00:00: Opening

00:01:30: Support the Podcast

00:02:07: James Swiney

00:04:12: Reliefband

00:06:23: Dedicated VR controllers

00:10:16: Void X

00:13:34: Room effects

00:15:45: AR Games

00:18:40: Multitasking?

00:22:43: The Boss

00:24:59: Favorite Bullet Hell Shooters?

00:26:14: Input

00:29:14: Haptics in external controllers?

00:30:32: Sponsor: Agenda 18

00:33:13: Using the Apple Vision Pro

00:39:31: Soundscape

00:41:57: Releasing an app when you can't get the hardware?

00:44:33: Onboarding

00:46:36: Multiple Fully Immersive Apps?

00:47:56: What apps are you most excited to try?

00:52:28: SpriteKit

00:56:18: How'd you get into game dev?

01:01:27: Art Assets?

01:04:30: 3D Ships?

01:07:08: HDR

01:07:53: Anything else?

01:12:31: More info?

01:13:01: Closing

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Clarko is the developer of Symbolsaurus and is fresh off his experience with the Apple Vision Pro at one of the many developer labs. As you can imagine those labs are not for public discourse, but as you can tell by the runtime of this episode that does not stop us from diving deep into the potential for visionOS and how we see spatial computing changing how we work. We also discuss at length his app Symbolsaurus that he is in the process of porting to visionOS.

This episode of iPad Pros is sponsored by Agenda, the award winning app that seamlessly integrates calendar events into your note taking. Learn more at www.agenda.com. Agenda 18 is now available as a free download for macOS, iPadOS, and iOS.

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon/.

Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!

Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

Links: 

https://www.symbolsaurus.com

https://mastodon.social/@clarko

Chapter Markers:

00:00:00: Opening

00:01:27: Support the Podcast

00:02:17: Clarko

00:05:27: Interface Designer

00:08:23: Current Hardware Setup and Gaming

00:14:20: Apple Vision Pro

00:17:40: Vision Pro Labs

00:18:09: 20 Years from Now

00:24:48: Pleading the 5th

00:26:37: What can you share about the physical device?

00:28:41: Eye Control Ramifications

00:37:26: Text Selection?

00:39:44: Multiple Audio Sources?

00:40:44: iPadOS vs visionOS

00:44:48: iWork and 3D Printing/Sculpting

00:47:23: Capturing Scenes for Vision Pro

00:48:32: The Gestures

00:52:40: Any other general thoughts?

01:02:33: Sponsor - Agenda 18

01:04:53: Symbolsaurus

01:12:10: Sharing the symbols from the app

01:16:04: Where are these used?

01:18:09: Origins of the app

01:19:17: Designing for Apple Vision Pro

01:21:01: How AVP became a primary target

01:24:11: 3D Symbols?

01:26:11: The size of visionOS

01:27:15: Feature Complete?

01:29:47: Input in visionOS

01:32:52: Multiple Windows per App?

01:37:06: Filing cabinets and BT accessories

01:38:18: Collections

01:38:51: Anything else about your app?

01:40:06: What visionOS apps do you hope get made?

01:42:28: Final thoughts?

01:44:48: Where can people find you?

01:45:21: Closing

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Bart Busschots is the host of Let’s Talk Apple and Let’s Talk Photography. He is also a bi-weekly contributor to the ‘Chit-Chat Across the Pond’ segment on the NosillaCast. In this episode we discuss how the Apple Vision Pro is different from other headsets, the concept of the “infinity screen”, paradigm leaps, how he believes he will use the Apple Vision Pro, and much more. 

This episode of Vision Pros is sponsored by Agenda, the award winning app that seamlessly integrates calendar events into your note taking. Learn more at www.agenda.com. Agenda 18 is now available as a free download for macOS, iPadOS, and iOS.

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.visionpros.fm/patreon. 

Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!

Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

Links: 

https://www.bartbusschots.ie/

Chapter Markers:

00:00:00: Opening

00:01:16: Agenda

00:01:41: Early Access

00:02:01: Bart Busschots

00:04:59: Other headsets?

00:06:32: Something different

00:09:13: An Infinity Screen

00:11:14: Privacy Baked In

00:12:10: Paradigm Leaps

00:14:59: Many Form Factors

00:20:35: Best Version 1 Ever? 

00:23:44: Windows at a distance

00:25:44: Tapping windows? 

00:26:30: Adornments 

00:33:05: Sponsor - Agenda

00:34:57: Your Office Setup

00:42:52: Does visionOS replace anything?

00:53:14: Gestures

00:59:32: Input

01:01:59: Eye Health

01:02:40: 3D Elements

01:07:47: How do you think you'll use Vision Pro?

01:11:09: IO

01:13:59: Closing Thoughts

01:15:16: Where can people find your work?

01:15:57: Closing

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Ken Case is the CEO of the OmniGroup and has been there as a developer for the launch of many platforms including the iPhone, iPad, and Mac OS X. In this episode we dive into Ken’s thoughts on visionOS, Apple Vision Pro, and headsets in general. We also reflect on some past platform launches and how that might relate to the future of visionOS. 

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. 

Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!

Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

Links: 

https://mastodon.social/@kcase

https://www.omnigroup.com

Chapter Markers: 

00:00:00: Opening

00:01:31: Support the Podcast

00:02:07: Ken Case

00:05:17: The Omni Group

00:07:52: New Platforms

00:09:41: Unlimited Space

00:11:00: Successful Platforms

00:12:46: Different Form Factors

00:13:38: Other Headsets

00:15:29: iPad or Bust

00:17:11: Constraints

00:20:21: Tabletop Virtual Controls

00:23:03: 3D Graphics

00:25:29: Windows in Different Rooms

00:28:09: VR only apps?

00:31:45: Working in Different Places?

00:32:41: Ornament Windows

00:33:50: Multitasking

00:35:19: The Simulator

00:36:58: Default Distance

00:39:40: A Different Kind of Headset

00:40:47: What are you most excited for?

00:42:02: Early iPhone Days

00:43:46: OmniFocus Now in Swift

00:44:47: The Mac in visionOS

00:46:35: What visionOS could replace

00:47:59: Anything else?

00:50:13: Eye Tracking

00:51:00: Accessories

00:51:48: The First Omni app for visionOS?

00:52:58: More info?

00:53:20: https://mastodon.social/@kcase

00:53:50: Closing

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Devin Davies is the developer behind the awesome recipe organizer and meal planner app Crouton. He is already hard at work at adapting his iPad version of the app to visionOS and discovering some cool concepts like floating timers that you can place on the item you are cooking. 

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. 

Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia!

Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

Links: 

https://crouton.app

https://mastodon.social/@JustMeDevin

Chapter Markers: 

00:00:00: Opening

00:01:16: Support the podcast!

00:01:47: Devin Davies

00:03:39: Crouton

00:06:46: Live at WWDC

00:07:53: Apple Vision Pro

00:09:23: Developing in Vision Pro

00:10:20: Ergonomics

00:11:26: Vision Pro Outdoors

00:12:45: Replacing the Mac?

00:15:21: The Form Factor

00:17:16: SDK and Simulator

00:18:50: System Apps

00:19:58: Settings app

00:20:22: Surprises in the Simulator?

00:21:05: Design Considerations

00:22:04: Object Recognition 

00:23:44: visionOS limitations

00:24:29: Data Entry

00:25:55: UI Navigation

00:26:59: Multiple Timers

00:30:39: Combustion Thermometer 

00:31:29: 3D Elements?

00:33:29: Anything else about visionOS?

00:34:52: New app ideas?

00:39:19: Anything else about Crouton?

00:40:03: Universal Apps?

00:41:10: Starting from an iPad app

00:42:38: No Turn by Turn

00:42:54: Wrap-up

00:43:09: Crouton.app

00:43:15: On Mastodon

00:43:49: Closing

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Chance Miller is the editor-in-chief at 9to5Mac and was one of the first people in the world to try the Apple Vision Pro. We dive into what his experience was like using visionOS and what his hopes are for his own uses when Apple Vision Pro launches in 2024. 

You can also hear how Chance uses the iPad Pro to get work done and his experiences with iPadOS 17 in episode 176 of the iPad Pros Podcast; available at www.iPadPros.net. 

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. 

Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia! New episodes of the bonus shows release the first week of every month. 

Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

Links: 

VisionPros.fm

https://mastodon.social/@ChanceHMiller

https://9to5mac.com/2023/06/05/hands-on-apple-vision-pro-mixed-reality-headset/

Chapter Markers

00:00:00: Introducing Vision Pros

00:02:10: Introducing Chance Miller

00:02:34: Support the Podcast

00:02:59: Chance Miller

00:04:01: Working on the Vision Pro?

00:07:21: USB-C port on battery pack

00:09:44: Entertainment

00:12:39: Gestures

00:13:46: Augmented Reality 

00:15:34: Night Performance 

00:17:07: Lenses and Headbands

00:19:20: Outdoor use?

00:21:14: Places you would work in Vision Pro?

00:23:26: Apple Pencil?

00:25:25: Haptics

00:30:22: The best V1 Apple product?

00:32:24: Wrap-up

00:33:26: Closing

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A trailer for the Vision Pros Podcast; launching July 20th, 2023. Available now for Patreon supporters and subscribers in Apple Podcasts. 

Bonus content and early episodes with chapter markers are available by supporting the podcast at www.patreon.com/ipadpros. 

Bonus content and early episodes are also now available in Apple Podcasts! Subscribe today to get instant access to iPad Possibilities, iPad Ponderings, and iPad Historia! New episodes of the bonus shows release the first week of every month. 

Show notes are available at www.VisionPros.fm. Feedback is welcomed at [email protected].

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