Voyage Clinics Podcast

Voyage Clinics Podcast

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Voyage Clinics Podcast episodes

  • Dr. John and Jarom Ball | Nature, Neuroplasticity, and Navigating Trauma
    ​​In this episode, Dr. John sits down with marriage and family therapist Jarom Ball to explore the profound ways trauma shapes our emotional and physiological responses. Jarom discusses how early experiences of rejection and unworthiness can create deeply ingrained automatic reactions, impacting relationships and self-perception. He explains how traditional therapy methods, such as EMDR, can help regulate these responses but may not fully address all aspects of trauma. Psychedelics like ketamine and psilocybin, by promoting neuroplasticity through BDNF and mTOR activation, provide a unique window for transformation, especially when combined with intentional therapeutic integration.

    Jarom delves into different therapeutic approaches, highlighting Internal Family Systems, which engages the protective parts of the psyche, versus EMDR, which primarily bypasses them. He emphasizes that growth doesn’t always require confronting every traumatic memory at once; even incremental progress in emotional regulation and coping strategies can significantly enhance life quality. Jarom notes that unresolved trauma often manifests as autonomic dysregulation, where the body overreacts to triggers. Integrating therapy with psychedelic-assisted experiences, when accessible, can help rewire these patterns and create lasting change.

    The conversation also examines the impact of modern life and environmental factors on mental well-being. Dr. John and Jarom discuss how constant exposure to digital media and global stressors overwhelms our nervous systems, contrasting this with the benefits of reconnecting with nature, foraging, and direct contact with the earth. Such practices enhance intuition, emotional sensitivity, and overall well-being, offering a grounding balance to the high-tech, high-stress modern world. The episode ultimately emphasizes a holistic approach to healing, combining trauma-informed therapy, neuroplasticity through psychedelics, and reconnection with nature to cultivate resilience, growth, and human flourishing.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.



    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    1 hr 5 min
  • Dr. John and Neer Patel | Breaking the Chains of Healthcare with DPC-Centered Plans
    In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John Sanders sits down with Neer Patel, a former engineer turned benefits innovator, whose wife, like Dr. Sanders, a Direct Primary Care physician. Together, they explore how their families have become advocates for a more transparent and values-driven healthcare system. Neer shares his journey from corporate America into healthcare entrepreneurship, explaining how his background in sales and marketing helped grow his wife’s DPC practice by educating both patients and business owners about the real costs of care and the power of the DPC model.


    As their conversation deepens, Neer explains how repeated talks with business owners exposed a common problem: unsustainable insurance premiums that prevented employers from offering DPC memberships to their teams. Determined to solve it, he dove into the health insurance world and discovered how hidden network contracts and inflated claims drive up costs. That realization led him to co-found a company that removes traditional network contracts, brings transparency to pricing, and integrates DPC at the core of employer health plans, all designed to eliminate waste and return advocacy to the heart of healthcare.

    Dr. Sanders and Neer discuss how Neer’s approach parallels the DPC movement itself, cutting out middlemen, focusing on real relationships, and giving patients and employers control over their healthcare dollars. By combining DPC’s personalized care with an actively managed, transparent coverage model, they demonstrate how businesses can provide better healthcare at lower costs while restoring trust, clarity, and compassion to the system.


    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    56 min
  • Dr. John | From BRCA to Liquid Biopsies: A Doctor’s Guide to DNA Screening
    Dr. John Sanders explores the evolving world of genetic screening — from traditional genome sequencing for inherited risks like BRCA, Lynch syndrome, and clotting disorders, to newer technologies like liquid biopsies and pharmacogenomics. He explains how genetics can guide prevention, but also how complex the interpretation is, especially when epigenetics — the environmental “on/off switches” for genes — plays a massive role in actual disease expression.

    He highlights both the promise and limitations of current tools. Liquid biopsies, for example, can screen for dozens of cancers via blood, but are expensive, not insurance-covered, and may detect cancers too late to change outcomes meaningfully. Pharmacogenomics — using genetic testing to guide medication choices — is fascinating in theory, but in real life doesn’t always align with clinical response, and rarely justifies its current out-of-pocket cost. Much of this technology is still ahead of its evidence.

    Dr. Sanders urges a thoughtful, ethical approach: screening can be empowering — but can also create unnecessary fear and possibly even trigger disease expression via stress. He stresses staying grounded in data, preserving patient peace of mind, and remembering the most powerful epigenetic “medicine” is still lifestyle — sleep, exercise, low stress. It’s innovation with responsibility, not blind adoption.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    25 min
  • Dr. John and Dr. Kyle Bills | Intention, Neuroplasticity, and the Science of Change
    In this in-depth discussion, Dr. John and neuroscientist Dr. Kyle Bills explore the concept of neuroplasticity—the brain’s remarkable ability to rewire and change through intention, experience, and biological modulation. They connect spiritual and scientific perspectives, noting that practices like repentance, reframing thoughts, and setting clear intentions align with measurable neurological mechanisms such as BDNF spikes, dopamine release, and mTOR activation. The conversation emphasizes that our mindset and the stories we tell ourselves (“I am” statements) can either limit or liberate our potential to change.

    Dr. Bills expands on the science of neuroplasticity by describing how activities like exercise, cold plunges, and intentional therapy stimulate neurochemical changes that reshape brain circuitry. However, he cautions that neurochemical boosts alone—whether from exercise or ketamine therapy—are not inherently beneficial unless paired with positive context and deliberate action. The two discuss the role of intention-setting in clinical treatments, sharing moving examples of how combining ketamine-assisted therapy with purposeful goals, like becoming a more patient parent, can lead to real behavioral transformation.

    The conversation culminates with Dr. Bills’ groundbreaking research into mechanical neurostimulation. He explains how specific vibrational frequencies applied to the spine can modulate dopamine circuits, producing measurable reductions in anxiety and improved cognitive function—without drugs or surgery. His NIH-funded trials using a noninvasive “vibration chair” show promise for treating conditions like opioid withdrawal, anxiety, and potentially even sleep disorders and Parkinson’s disease. Both doctors close with gratitude for science’s role in helping humanity refine itself, bridge mind and body, and grow closer to divine potential through understanding and intentional change.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    1 hr 6 min
  • Dr. John Sanders | How DPC is Changing the Game for Families and Businesses
    In this podcast episode, Dr. John from Voyage Clinics, a Utah county direct primary care, provides an overview of the growing direct primary care (DPC) movement and its potential to reshape healthcare in the U.S. 
    John begins by highlighting the challenges American families and businesses face navigating a complex, expensive, and often inefficient healthcare system. After defining direct primary care, he explains how its structure allows patients to receive guidance, advocacy, and personalized care without being beholden to traditional insurance constraints. He emphasizes the practical benefits of this model, sharing real-world examples of cost-effective, high-quality care. 
    Case studies shared in the episode underscore how even families with insurance benefit from DPC because membership often costs less than a single family member’s deductible while offering unlimited access to care. Dr. John positions DPC as a growing national movement with over 2,000 physicians now practicing this model, up from just a few hundred when he started seven and a half years ago. The podcast closes with a call for families and businesses to explore DPC as an alternative that delivers accessible, high-quality healthcare while reducing costs and simplifying navigation in an otherwise complex system.
    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.


    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    6 min
  • Dr. John and Darrell Moon | Trust, Relationships, and the Direct Primary Care Revolution
    In this episode, Dr. John sits down with Darrell Moon, a nationally recognized advocate for direct primary care (DPC), to explore the transformative potential of relationship-driven healthcare. Darrell shares his professional journey, from starting as a student helping run a small hospital in Utah to leading multiple hospitals and eventually focusing on healthcare reform. He emphasizes the importance of aligning healthcare delivery with the true customer—business leaders and patients—rather than the traditional system’s incentives, which often reward keeping hospitals full rather than improving patient outcomes. 

    The conversation considers the innovative NUCA healthcare system in Alaska, which prioritizes trust, long-term relationships, and a holistic approach to patient care, focusing on individuals’ life goals rather than just treating disease. The NUCA healthcare system divides patients into manageable groups and embeds a dedicated care team within each group in its efforts to foster deep relationships and deliver better outcomes at lower cost. Dr. John parallels this model to his own direct primary care clinics, emphasizing trust-building, long-term relationships, and a patient-centered approach that improves both outcomes and satisfaction.

    Finally, the podcast addresses the broader implications of DPC for employers and employees. By placing direct primary care at the center of self-funded insurance plans, companies can reduce costs, improve employee health, and foster loyalty. The conversation underscores how transparency, high-quality referrals, and data-driven decision-making can reshape healthcare delivery, offering accessible, affordable, and trustworthy care while enhancing overall workforce wellbeing.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    49 min
  • Dr. John and Johnathan Bartholomew | Sorting Science from Sensationalism
    In this episode, Dr. Sanders visits again with Dr. Bartholomew, covering several timely pediatric health topics, including measles, RSV, COVID-19, and Tylenol. After highlighting the importance of vaccination for measles and identifying populations that are most vulnerable to RSV, the discussion pivots to COVID-19, where the doctors review evolving data and policy decisions around vaccines. 
    Their conversation stresses the importance of balancing risks and benefits across different age groups, rather than applying a one-size-fits-all approach, arguing that current recommendations should be revisited in light of herd immunity, viral mutations, and reduced severity of illness. They encourage families to have open conversations with their providers about personal risk factors like obesity, diabetes, or heart disease when deciding whether vaccination is appropriate.Finally, the episode addresses the recent study linking Tylenol (acetaminophen) in pregnancy to autism. The doctors carefully explain the difference between association and causation, noting that current evidence does not support a causal link. They warn against sensationalized headlines that unnecessarily increase guilt among mothers, and point out that genetic factors are a much stronger contributor to autism. They also highlight ongoing genetic research at the University of Utah and supportive therapies, including innovative approaches like equine therapy. The episode closes with a reminder that science is dynamic, always open to new data, and that families should lean on trusted providers for evidence-based guidance.Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.


    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    58 min
  • Dr. John and Zak Hazlett | Healing Through Nature and Authenticity
    Join Dr. Sanders with Zak Hazlett, a licensed marriage and family therapist and experienced river guide in their discussion of health and healing through nature. John and Zak begin the conversation discussing metaphorical “baggage” and the importance of unpacking it alongside others. The speakers stress that real growth and friendship come through vulnerability—sharing our struggles rather than hiding them behind a polished façade. The key message is that we can’t unpack someone else’s baggage for them, but we can unpack together, side by side.

    The discussion then shifts into the role of self-awareness, accountability, and the small steps required for growth. Instead of waiting for a big breakthrough, showing up consistently for yourself—much like you would for a close friend—leads to progress. Parenting examples highlight the power of teaching children to own mistakes without shame, reinforcing the idea that accountability fosters resilience and healing. This ties into how relationships and safe environments provide the container we need to reprogram unhealthy patterns from the past.

    Finally, the dialogue explores nature as both a reset and antidote to modern overstimulation. Phones and technology create addictive dopamine spikes, whereas spending time outdoors restores balance, helps reset circadian rhythms, and reduces stress. Practical “dopamine detox” tips are shared, such as grayscaling phones, moving apps, and setting intentional barriers. The speakers emphasize that meaningful social connection—hugs, time with friends, shared vulnerability—produces lasting neurochemical benefits like oxytocin. Taken together, the message is clear: unpack your baggage with others, be intentional about your environment, and lean into nature and authentic connection for lasting wellness.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    59 min
  • Dr. John Sanders and Marilyn Sorensen, FNP | Hormones, Health, and Quality of Life
    A Practical Guide to HRT for Women and Men

    Dr. John is joined by nurse practitioner Marilyn to unpack the complexities of hormone use in both women and men, starting with the history of hormone therapy, the legacy of the Women’s Health Initiative, and the persistence of outdated black box warnings. They stress the importance of shared decision-making, noting that while risks like clotting, liver issues, and breast cancer must be considered, the potential benefits for mood, sleep, bone density, and quality of life can be significant when therapy is managed thoughtfully.

    In the discussion of female hormone therapy, they review perimenopause, menopause, and post-menopause, explaining when estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone may be appropriate. Marilyn shares practical guidance on lab testing, timing in the menstrual cycle, and tailoring treatment to symptoms. They also highlight the problem of inappropriate hormone use in younger women and caution against hormone “mills” that prescribe pellets or high doses without proper monitoring. Compounded formulations, oral progesterone, and topical or vaginal applications are all discussed as flexible tools when individualized to the patient’s needs.

    The conversation then shifts to male hormone therapy. Dr. John highlights the American Urological Association’s clear guidance on hypogonadism, stressing the need for accurate diagnosis and lifestyle interventions before prescribing testosterone. They discuss causes of low testosterone, including obesity, poor sleep, stress, and environmental exposures like plastics and pesticides. Alternatives such as Clomiphene and HCG can support fertility while boosting testosterone in younger men. Both hosts agree that while inappropriate use is common, properly monitored therapy can improve energy, mood, libido, and overall well-being. The episode closes with a reminder that HRT is not about making people 20 again—it’s about improving quality of life and aging with vitality.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the a​​dvice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    32 min
  • Dr. John with Chris Cox | Custom Solutions: Rethinking Pharmacy Through Compounding
    This podcast explores the complex and evolving world of compounding pharmacies, with a focus on how they provide customized solutions that go beyond what is commercially available. The conversation begins with the growing interest in peptides like BPC-157 and the lack of clear FDA guidance on their regulation. Practitioners and patients are left navigating uncertain territory where products may be inconsistently sourced or labeled as “not for human use,” raising important safety and trust concerns. The discussion highlights how regulatory oversight, while designed to protect the public, often creates barriers for innovation and patient access to potentially beneficial therapies.

    From there, the conversation shifts into the practical and creative role compounding pharmacies play in patient care. Unlike traditional prescriptions, compounding allows for individualized formulations—whether that’s tailoring dermatology creams to reduce side effects, creating specialized GI or ENT preparations, or offering unique dosing options for children, pets, or patients with rare conditions. The art of compounding comes through in solving problems such as ensuring accurate dosing, removing air pockets from creams, or flavoring medications to improve compliance. Collaboration between pharmacists, clinicians, and patients is emphasized as the key to designing effective, “made-to-fit” therapies.

    The episode also delves into bioidentical hormone replacement and GLP-1 therapies, both of which demonstrate the flexibility and value of compounding. Bioidentical hormones, though historically controversial, are shown to be chemically identical to natural hormones, offering tailored options that can improve quality of life for both men and women when used responsibly. Similarly, compounded GLP-1 medications provide more dosing flexibility, lower cost, and opportunities to address side effects with supportive add-ins like B12 or glycine. The conversation closes with a call to action for providers to learn more about compounding, embrace its potential, and collaborate with trusted pharmacists to expand patient options and improve outcomes.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the a​​dvice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
    53 min

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Welcome to the Voyage Clinics Podcast, where curiosity meets medical expertise. Join your host, Dr. John Sanders, a compassionate family physician, as he embarks on a journey through the intricacies…