Back on the podcast is Averell "Ace" Smith. Ace is one of the great American political strategists for Democratic Party candidates, including Hillary Clinton, Jerry Brown, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris.

In 2018 he joined The Herle Burly podcast to discuss the midterm elections and his book, "THE PITCHER AND THE DICTATOR" about baseball legend Satchel Paige. He joins us now for an analysis of the 2020 presidential election and what we learned about American voters.

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