Teaching the AI brains of autonomous vehicles to understand the world as humans do requires billions of miles of driving experience. The road to achieving this astronomical level of driving leads to the virtual world.

On the latest episode of the AI Podcast, Waabi CEO and founder Raquel Urtasun joins NVIDIA’s Katie Burke Washabaugh to talk about the role simulation technology plays in developing production-level autonomous vehicles.

Waabi is an autonomous-vehicle system startup that uses powerful, high-fidelity simulation to run multiple scenarios simultaneously and tailor training to rare and dangerous situations that are difficult to encounter in the real world.

Urtasun is also a professor of Computer Science at the University of Toronto. Before starting Waabi, she led the Uber Advanced Technologies Group as chief scientist and head of research and development.