A break from the usual, Zach and Jill sit down with two of their longtime mentors and friends, Mac and Mary Owens (Global Directors of Celebrate Recovery).

It’s a raw, powerful conversation about the cost of secrecy, the freedom of confession, and how God can take the darkest parts of a story and turn them into the DNA of a movement that blesses generations. If you’re stuck in the shame cycle, hiding, or convinced you’re too far gone, this episode is a reminder that the gospel runs straight toward the broken, and healing begins when you step into the light.