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  • Episode 32: Practice Makes Better with Gary Goodson

    Show Notes

    • Paul Tillich - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tillich
    • John Shelby Spong - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong
    • End of Faith by Sam Harris - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29501.The_End_of_Faith
    • Skepticism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism
    • Atheism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
    • Agnosticism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
    • Materialism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism
    • Richard Dawkins - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
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      Special Guest: Gary Goodson.

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      58 min
    • Episode 31: Spiral Dynamics with Steve McDonald Part 2

      This is part two of my conversation with Steve Mcdonald about Spiral Dynamics. In this episode we make the leap from Tier 1 to Tier 2 and talk about what the heck that means. If you haven’t listened to part 1 yet, you might want to listen to it first since we are picking up where we left off last week.

      Guest Plugs

      • Future Sense Podcast - http://futuresense.it
      • Steve McDonald - https://www.eman8.net/
      • AADII Change Agency - https://www.aadii.org/
      • Switzerland Talk 2018 - https://youtu.be/Iz6RNJPUUak
      • Show Notes

        • Image of spiral dynamics model - https://wdtatpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/91c6d332d65002af9474600f6c8207cf-scaled.jpg
        • Clare Graves - http://www.clarewgraves.com
        • Don Beck - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Edward_Beck
        • Joseph Campbell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
        • The Hero With A Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/588138.The_Hero_With_a_Thousand_Faces
        • Elisabeth Kübler-Ross - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross
        • I Ching - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching
        • Mongol: The Rise of Genghis Khan (2007) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416044/
        • A Theory of Everything by Ken Wilber - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/177152.A_Theory_of_Everything
        • Teillard De Chardin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin
        • Noosphere - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
        • The Change Code by Monica Bourgeau - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49242919-the-change-code
        • Sounds True Ken Wilber Audio - https://www.soundstrue.com/store/ken-wilber.html
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          45 min
        • Episode 30: Spiral Dynamics with Steve McDonald Part 1

          In this two part interview I talk to futurist Steve McDonald about Spiral Dynamics, which is a model for understanding human development and consciousness. It’s a fascinating conversation that I think can help us understand ourselves and other people so much better. There’s a lot of information to digest. So sharing this in two parts will hopefully help your digestion and not give you information heartburn.

          Guest Plugs

          • Future Sense Podcast - http://futuresense.it
          • Steve McDonald - https://www.eman8.net/
          • AADII Change Agency - https://www.aadii.org/
          • Switzerland Talk 2018 - https://youtu.be/Iz6RNJPUUak
          • Show Notes

            • Image of spiral dynamics model - https://miro.medium.com/max/2700/1*FTlZgLIPSh_iGhpWRL2c9w.jpeg
            • Clare Graves - http://www.clarewgraves.com
            • Don Beck - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Edward_Beck
            • Joseph Campbell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
            • The Hero With A Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/588138.The_Hero_With_a_Thousand_Faces
            • Elisabeth Kübler-Ross - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross
            • I Ching - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching
            • Mongol: The Rise of Genghis Khan (2007) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416044/
            • A Theory of Everything by Ken Wilber - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/177152.A_Theory_of_Everything
            • Teillard De Chardin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin
            • Noosphere - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
            • The Change Code by Monica Bourgeau - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49242919-the-change-code
            • Sounds True Ken Wilber Audio - https://www.soundstrue.com/store/ken-wilber.html
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              Special Guest: Steve McDonald.

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              38 min
            • Episode 29: Fake News with The News Literacy Project

              In this episode I talk to Suzannah Gonzales of The News Literacy Project about why there's so much misinformation, what we can do about it, and how her organization can help!

              Guest Plugs

              • The News Literacy Project - https://newslit.org/
              • Checkology FREE to parents and teachers during pandemic - https://newslit.org/educators/checkology/
              • Informable App - https://newslit.org/updates/informable-helps-you-sort-fact-from-fiction/
              • The Sift Newsletter - https://newslit.org/educators/sift/
              • Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheNewsLiteracyProject
              • Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/NewsLitProject
              • Instagram - https://instagram.com/newslitproject
              • Show Notes

                • Journalism Ethics and Standards - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards
                • Identifying standards-based journalism - https://newslit.org/news-literacy-week/identifying-standards-based-journalism/
                • NY Times Ethics and Guidelines - https://www.nytimes.com/editorial-standards/ethical-journalism.html
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                    35 min
                  • Episode 28: Cross-Cultural Life and Love with Sharyl Loeung

                    Well, when I recorded this interview with my friend Sharyl we lived in a very different world. We weren’t thinking about global pandemics, social distancing, or using zoom quite as much as we are now. Many of us are sheltering in place and facing restrictions to help slow the spread of this new virus. We are, well at least I am, at times anxious and fearful about what this means for me and the world and then other times overwhelmed by the beauty, solidarity, selflessness, creativity, and service that I see. The anxiety and fear has produced very real acts of racism and xenophobia towards Asian-Americans. The President has insisted on calling this “The Chinese Virus”. I won’t speculate about why he has done that, but I will point out that there are very real world consequences for using this kind of language and it is irresponsible when there is clear, neutral language used by most scientists and health professionals. You can go to twitter and search the hashtag #iamnotavirus and read for yourself many of the experiences and stories from those who have experienced racist and xenophobic behavior.

                    So, for some of these reasons and many more I’m very happy to share with you my conversation with Sharyl Loeung. We do mention Lunar New Year which has since passed, but also might be a starting point for us to understand our Asian American brothers and sisters a bit better in such a time as this.

                    In this episode I talk to Sharyl Loeung about being part of a multicultural family, falling in love, working with multicultural students, and the weird things people have said to her about her kids.

                    Important Links

                    • Stop AAPI Hate has forms in multiple languages for submitting reports of incidents - http://www.asianpacificpolicyandplanningcouncil.org/stop-aapi-hate/
                    • Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html
                    • Coronavirus pandemic triggers racist attacks against Asian Americans - https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/3/25/21190655/trump-coronavirus-racist-asian-americans
                    • New York AG launches hotline to report coronavirus hate crimes, xenophobia against Asian Americans - https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/489474-new-york-attorney-general-launches-hotline-to-report-coronavirus-hate
                    • Twitter #iamnotavirus - https://twitter.com/hashtag/IAmNotaVirus?src=hashtag_click
                    • Show Notes

                      • Cambodian Genocide - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
                      • Cambodian New Year - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_New_Year
                      • Lunar New Year - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_New_Year
                      • Seeing White by Scene on Radio - https://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/
                      • Raise Your Voice by Kathy Khang - https://www.ivpress.com/raise-your-voice
                      • The Good Neighbear Podcast - https://thegoodneighbear.libsyn.com/
                      • The Search For General Tso Documentary - http://www.thesearchforgeneraltso.com/
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                        Special Guest: Sharyl Loeung.

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                        1 hr 5 min
                      • Episode 27: Encountering Silence with Carl McColman Part 2

                        In part 2 of my conversation with Carl McColman we talk about technology’s effect on us, why we are afraid of silence, and what it can contribute to better conversations. On his podcast Encountering silence they always take a 30 second pause of silence in the middle of the episode. I’ve also done that in these two episodes as a way for us to practice pausing and entering in to silence as well.

                        Guest Links

                        • Encountering Silence Podcast - http://www.encounteringsilence.com
                        • Carl McColman - http://carlmccolman.com/
                        • Unteachable Lessons by Carl McColman - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44087766-unteachable-lessons
                        • Show Notes

                          • 101 “Silence” Books - https://encounteringsilence.com/another-way-to-explore-silence-with-this-reading-list-of-101-silence-books/
                          • Alphabet Versus the Goddess by Leonard Shlain - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/455992.The_Alphabet_Versus_the_Goddess
                          • Peace Is Every Step by Thich Nhat Hanh - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14572.Peace_Is_Every_Step
                          • Shalem Institute - https://shalem.org/
                          • Kenneth Leech - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Leech
                          • Richard Rohr - https://cac.org/richard-rohr/richard-rohr-ofm/
                          • Jim Wallis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wallis
                          • Toxic Silence - https://encounteringsilence.com/therese-taylor-stinson-silence-contemplation-and-justice-part-one/
                          • John O’Donohue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O%27Donohue
                          • Pema Chodron - https://pemachodronfoundation.org/
                          • Silence Practice Apps -
                          • Ten Percent Happier - https://www.tenpercent.com/
                          • Headspace - https://www.headspace.com
                          • Centering Prayer - https://www.contemplativeoutreach.org/centering-prayer-mobile-app
                          • Inviting Children into Silence - https://www.teachchildrenmeditation.com/
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                            41 min
                          • Episode 26: Encountering Silence with Carl McColman Part 1

                            In this episode I talk to Carl McColman about technology’s effect on us, why we are afraid of silence, and what it can contribute to better conversations. This will be a two part conversation that we will finish next week. On his podcast Encountering silence they always take a 30 second pause of silence in the middle of the episode. I’ve also done that in these two episodes as a way for us to practice pausing and entering in to silence as well.

                            Guest Links

                            • Encountering Silence Podcast - http://www.encounteringsilence.com
                            • Carl McColman - http://carlmccolman.com/
                            • Unteachable Lessons by Carl McColman - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44087766-unteachable-lessons
                            • Show Notes

                              • 101 “Silence” Books - https://encounteringsilence.com/another-way-to-explore-silence-with-this-reading-list-of-101-silence-books/
                              • Alphabet Versus the Goddess by Leonard Shlain - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/455992.The_Alphabet_Versus_the_Goddess
                              • Peace Is Every Step by Thich Nhat Hanh - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14572.Peace_Is_Every_Step
                              • Shalem Institute - https://shalem.org/
                              • Kenneth Leech - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Leech
                              • Richard Rohr - https://cac.org/richard-rohr/richard-rohr-ofm/
                              • Jim Wallis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wallis
                              • Toxic Silence - https://encounteringsilence.com/therese-taylor-stinson-silence-contemplation-and-justice-part-one/
                              • John O’Donohue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O%27Donohue
                              • Pema Chodron - https://pemachodronfoundation.org/
                              • Silence Practice Apps -
                              • * Ten Percent Happier - https://www.tenpercent.com/
                              • * Headspace - https://www.headspace.com
                              • * Centering Prayer - https://www.contemplativeoutreach.org/centering-prayer-mobile-app
                              • * Inviting Children into Silence - https://www.teachchildrenmeditation.com/
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                                  44 min
                                • Episode 25: Our Better Angels with Paul Kirst

                                  In this episode I talk with Paul Kirst about his work with Better Angels to teach and promote dialogue across the red and blue divide. We also discuss civil wars both past and future and what they might teach us.

                                  Show Notes

                                  • Better Angels Workshops - https://www.better-angels.org/
                                  • It Could Happen Here with Robert Evans - https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/
                                  • Hugo Banzer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Banzer
                                  • The World’s Capital of Coups? - https://www.ozy.com/acumen/the-worlds-capital-of-coups/71531/
                                  • History of Bolivia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bolivia
                                  • Hidden Tribes - https://hiddentribes.us/
                                  • The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haight - https://righteousmind.com/
                                  • The Republican Brain by Chris Mooney - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12821470-the-republican-brain
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                                    58 min
                                  • Episode 24: Civic Engagement with Erin Payseur Oeth

                                    In this episode I talk to Erin Payseur Oeth about how to get beyond the binary in our discussions, being co-creators of the communities where we live, and we reveal the hidden truth that... the government is us!

                                    Guest Plugs

                                    • What is Public Deliberation? By Erin Payseur Oeth - https://www.naspa.org/blog/what-is-public-deliberation-an-introduction
                                    • Baylor Public Deliberation Initiative: With a section on faith and deliberation for those in faith communities interested in this work - https://sites.baylor.edu/baylorpdi/
                                    • Show Notes

                                      • National Issues Forum: Valuable resource and issue guides to start conversations within your sphere of influence – https://www.nifi.org/
                                      • Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community by Robert Putnam - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/478.Bowling_Alone
                                      • League of Women Voters - https://www.vote411.org/
                                      • I Think You’re Wrong But I’m Listening by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth A Silvers: “Two friends on opposite sides of the aisle provide a practical guide to grace-filled political conversation while challenging readers to put relationship before policy and understanding before argument.” - https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/40591258
                                      • Pantsuit Politics Podcast - http://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/
                                      • Why Can't We Talk?: Christian Wisdom on Dialogue as a Habit of the Heart by John Backman: valuable guide on dialogue as a spiritual practice - https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/15893996
                                      • Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age by Sherry Turkel: great read on reclaiming empathy and skills to connect with each other and our humanity - http://www.reclaimingconversationbook.com
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                                        1 hr 8 min
                                      • Episode 23: LGBTQ Identities with Rev Erica Lea Simka

                                        In this episode I talk to Pastor Erica Lea Simka about LGBTQ identities and terminology, practice introducing myself with my pronouns, get corrected more than once, and we almost have an altar call when she tells me about the antidote to call out culture.

                                        Show Notes

                                        • Resources for Allies - https://www.glaad.org/resources/ally/14
                                        • Transgender FAQ - https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender
                                        • Intersex Society of North America FAQ - https://isna.org/faq/
                                        • The Genderbread Person - https://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2018/10/the-genderbread-person-v4/
                                        • GLAAD Media Reference Guide - AP, Reuters & New York Times Style - https://www.glaad.org/reference/style
                                        • Human Rights Campaign Glossary of Terms - https://www.hrc.org/resources/glossary-of-terms
                                        • Q Christian Blog - https://www.qchristian.org/blog
                                        • Encountering Silence - https://encounteringsilence.com/
                                        • The Inclusive Bible - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2193503.The_Inclusive_Bible
                                        • Episode 6: Growing Up Cherokee, Lutheran, and Two-Spirit with Vance Blackfox - https://wdtatpodcast.com/podcast/6-growing-up-two-spirit-cherokee-and-lutheran-with-vance-blackfox/
                                        • I’m Queer And Indigenous, NOT Two Spirit - https://qveen.to/queer-indigenous-not-two-spirit/
                                        • Find An Affirming Church - https://www.gaychurch.org/
                                        • How to find a church that is safe for LGBTQ people - https://www.queertheology.com/churches-lgbt-affirming-welcoming-safe/
                                        • Church Clarity - https://www.churchclarity.org/
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                                          Special Guest: Erica Lea Simka.

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                                          1 hr 11 min

                                        About We Don't Talk About That

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                                        The podcast where we talk about things we're not supposed to, learn how to have difficult conversations, and talk to people about what makes them different.