Charlie Sykes makes his public radio hosting debut. He and conservative columnist George Will talk about shifting party lines and the relationship between the White House and the truth. Plus, what about that wall?

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The hosts include WNYC's Brian Lehrer, Minnesota Public Radio's Kerri Miller, WNYC's Kai Wright, John Prideaux and Anne McElvoy of The Economist and longtime conservative radio host Charlie Sykes.