NC State often finds itself in tricky spots – drawing less national attention than UNC or Duke, succeeding in football just enough to create expectations that then go unfulfilled, and wrestling with a legacy in men's basketball that can feel like it's fading further into the past. We talked to James Curle, Alec Lower, and Joe Ovies to learn more about what makes the Wolfpack fan base tick, whether they think NC State is a football or a basketball school, and the future with Will Wade. This is a preview of the full episode, which is available to paid subscribers – go to phantomisland.show to sign up today. Presented by Homefield and produced by Michael Surber.