Screenwriter Liz Hannah (The Post, Longshot, All the Bright Places) joins Phil in watching episode 6 of The West Wing, Mr. Willis of Ohio.

We discuss how Sorkin learns on the job, the degrees of sexism president Bartlet displays, and how his relationship with Leo is the heart of the show. We also compare this episode's viewership to modern television successes at the time, and today.

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