In this episode Cameron and Nathan reflect on the recent passing of Pope Francis—not from a Catholic perspective, but as Christians engaging in serious theological reflection on a major cultural moment. What does this shift mean for global Christianity? How should Protestants interpret the legacy of Pope Francis and the ideological battle lines within the Catholic Church?We compare responses from First Things (conservative) and Commonweal (progressive), and wrestle with key questions: Is reform or stability the greater need in our age? How do different views of human nature affect theology and culture? And what can we learn about leadership, doctrine, and discipleship from this moment in church history?This conversation is for believers who care deeply about theology, culture, and the future of the global church. Join us as we think theologically about the news and how Christians should engage the world with gospel clarity.

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0:00 – Intro & What We’re Talking About Today

2:20 – Why Protestants Should Care About the Pope

6:45 – The Catholic Church’s Global Influence & Cultural Reach

11:10 – The Legacy of Pope Francis: A Mixed Review

15:35 – First Things vs Commonweal: Two Catholic Responses

21:00 – Reform vs Stability: Which Does the Church Need More?

28:40 – Human Nature, Doctrine & Worldview: Underlying Theological Differences

35:05 – What Can Protestants Learn from This Moment?

42:15 – Final Reflections: Truth, Leadership & the Church’s Future

47:00 – Outro & Where to Find More Content