Chemistry can spark attraction… but it rarely sustains intimacy.
In this episode, Gwyn Isaacs talks with Deborah Kat about what actually carries relationships past the honeymoon phase: empowerment, communication, and pleasure skills.
If you’ve ever felt deeply connected at first… and then slowly confused about why desire faded, this conversation offers a grounded, compassionate reframe.
Deborah Kat is a sex expert, tantric educator, professional dom, and host of The Better Sex Podcast. Together, she and Gwyn unpack the myth that chemistry alone is enough and explore the real skills that sustain intimacy over time… skills most of us were never taught.
This episode dives into Deborah’s three pillars of great sex and relationships:
Empowerment — knowing your yes, your no, and your wantsCommunication — timing, tone, nervous system safety, and repairPleasure skills — touch, attunement, curiosity, and practiceAlong the way, they talk about how cultural scripts (romance novels, sitcoms, movies) quietly sabotage real relationships, why fantasies don’t equal obligations, and how treating relationship like a lab instead of a performance can bring more ease, safety, and desire.
Why willingness and permission matter more than “doing it right”How pleasure is a learned skill, not instinctCommon communication mistakes couples make around sexHow to start hard conversations without pressure or shutdownA grounding boundary practice for knowing what’s yours (and what’s not)This is a thoughtful, practical, deeply human conversation about intimacy as something you practice, not something you magically master.
Links & Resources
Deborah Kat’s website + Relationship Lab PDF: https://deborahkat.com
Deborah’s podcast:
The Better Sex PodcastJoin Gwyn’s email list: https://whatexcitesus.com
Learn more about the Reclaiming You in person retreat: ReclaimingYou.net
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