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Key Points & Memorable Quotes -
“Psychology needs to be out front, and the next form of leadership is going to be rooted in applied psychology.” 5:38
“We really don’t want to be by ourselves, so when given time, we find ways to fill it.” 6:48
“So our brains have become highly tuned to the slightest of potential rejection.” 13:22
“F.O.P.O., Fear Of People’s Opinions is one of the mechanisms that’s right at the core of survival.” 15:26
“I’ve always wanted to celebrate the psychology of excellence, the psychology of what goes into people working to become their very best.” 23:45
“The concept of psychology being celebrated for what it brings out in people not for what it pathologizes.” - Wendy @ 25:35
“My wife taught me how to stop worrying.” 27:17
“Trying to be your most authentic self is a really scary thing.” -Wendy @ 30:18
“Success, for me, is having a loving and wonderful relationship with my adult son. I really want that.” 35:31
Guest Bio - Dr. Michael Gervais is a high-performance psychologist, author and one of the world’s leading experts on the relationship between the mind and human performance. Over the course of a 20-year career working with world class performers and organizations, Dr. Gervais has developed a framework for the mental skills and practices that allow organizations, teams and individuals to thrive in pressure-packed environments.
Gervais’ influence can be felt across many touchpoints of popular culture. His clients include the NFL’s Super Bowl Champions, Seattle Seahawks, world record holders, Olympians, MVPs from every major sport, internationally acclaimed music artists, and Fortune 50 CEO’s.
Gervais has worked across three summer Olympic Games (Tokyo, Rio, London) and two winter Olympic Games as a high-performance psychologist supporting Team USA, most recently for USA Surfing in Tokyo 2021.
Dr. Gervais is the host of the Finding Mastery podcast that explores the psychology of the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers. In the top 1% of podcasts globally, Finding Mastery crossed the 25 million downloads milestone in 2021.
Gervais has an upcoming book, The First Rule of Mastery, that’s being published by Harvard Business Review Press in November 2023. Previously, Gervais wrote an Audible Original, Compete to Create: An Approach to Living and Leading Authentically, with NFL coach Pete Carroll (2020).
Gervais created a six-week online course, Finding Your Best, to bring the principles and practices of high performance psychology and wellbeing into businesses and homes.
Gervais is the co-creator of the Performance Science Institute at the USC Marshall School of Business, dedicated to teaching, training and researching the science, applied principles and best practices for high performance in any domain .
A published, peer-reviewed author and nationally recognized speaker on optimal human performance, Dr. Gervais has been featured in premier media outlets including NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN, ESPN, NFL Network, Red Bull TV, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Outside Magazine, WIRED, Sports Illustrated and ESPN The Magazine.
Dr. Gervais holds a doctorate degree in psychology, specializing in sport performance, and a master’s degree in kinesiology. He completed his PhD under the mentorship of Dr. Bruce Ogilvie, often referred to as the father of American applied sport psychology.
Show Notes -
0:00 - Coming Up on ‘What I Meant to Say’
0:20 - WIMTS Intro
0:42 - Welcome to Dr. Michael Gervais
3:55 - The First Rule of Mastery
19:10 - The Difference Between Worrying & Caring
21:14 - What It Feels Like to Be Called Out by Your Mentor
27:40 - What Are the Common Threads of the Greats?
30:05 - Do You See F.O.P.O. in Your Life?
35:06 - A Parenting Perspective on Success
37:05 - How To Work with Kids on Not Worrying About What Other People Think
43:01 - Pre-Party Anxiety & Public Speaking F.O.P.O.
45:53 - Response Mechanisms of F.O.P.O.
48:07 - Thank You & Closing
Links & Where to Find Dr. Michael Gervais
Dr. Michael Gervais
Finding Mastery Podcast
The First Rule of Mastery: Stop Worrying About What Other People Think of
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IG - Finding Mastery
Finding Mastery Youtube