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What if everything you’ve been told about retirement is quietly working against you? John Coleman has spent his career around money and purpose, which makes his message all the more striking: money is a tool, not the point. In his new book, Good Money: Six Steps to Building a Financial Life with Purpose, he rethinks personal finance around human flourishing, and one of his steps reframes retirement itself: save for freedom, not retirement.

We explore why the conventional retirement script, a withdrawl into pure leisure, carries real costs to meaning, community, and health; how continued, self-directed work changes both the math and the meaning of your plan; why your worth is never your net worth; and how to design your next chapter deliberately. It’s a conversation that bridges the financial and non-financial sides of retirement, looks at retirement and purpose, and gives you a fresh way to think about what comes next.

John Coleman joins us from Atlanta.

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Bio

John Coleman is the author of Good Money: Six Steps to Building a Financial Life with Purpose and The HBR Guide to Crafting Your Purpose. He is Co-CEO of Sovereign’s Capital. He has prior professional experience at McKinsey Company, Invesco, and Bridgewater Associates, among others.

He’s active in his community, with current or prior experience on the boards of Teneo, the Heritage Foundation, Berry College, the DeKalb County School System, the Georgia Student Finance Commission, the Georgia Charter Schools Association, and the Georgia Independent College Association. He’s been recognized as a Term Member at the Council on Foreign Relations, a Presidential Leadership Scholar, and as one of both Georgia Trend’s and the Atlanta Business Chronicle’s “40 Under 40.”

A frequent contributor to Harvard Business Review, John and his work has been featured in Forbes, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, and the LA Times among other publications. He’s previously published Passion & Purpose and How to Argue Like Jesus.

John is an MBA graduate with High Distinction from the Harvard Business School, where he was Class Day Speaker and a Dean’s Award Winner for leadership and service. And he’s an MPA graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School, where he was a George Fellow and a Zuckerman Fellow.

John lives in Atlanta with his wife Jackie, their four young children.

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For More on John Coleman

Good Money: Six Steps to Building a Financial Life with Purpose

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Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love

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Mattering…in Retirement – Jennifer Breheny Wallace

The Good Life – Marc Schulz, PhD

How to Live a Meaningful Life – Dave Evans

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Wise Quotes

On Retirement

“In general, I’m opposed to the idea of retirement…People are made for meaning, they’re made to deploy their talents in productive ways…The frame I encourage people to take is that they’re saving, not so that they have enough that they can withdraw from the world, but saving so that they have the buffer to engage the world in the way that they want to at the pace that they want to.”

On Money

“Breaking the hold that money has on us, making sure it’s a tool, not a totem, is one of the very first mindsets that people need to adopt…Money isn’t intrinsically good. Money is good only in so much as you use it for things that build flourishing in your lives and the lives of others.”

 On Identity

“Too often we fall into making our identity the things that are easiest to measure rather than things that are most important.”

On Purpose

“I believe purpose is a thing that’s built, not found. It’s crafted, it’s not found.”

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There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

About Retirement Wisdom

I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

About Your Podcast Host

Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.