In part two of Liz Sears' chat with Gary, the pair discuss her work in prison and how programs like the prison cafe, which gives prisoners purpose and a sense of worth are improving outcomes and why creating a sense of community in jails can benefit the greater community in the long run. See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

In part two of Liz Sears' chat with Gary, the pair discuss her work in prison and how programs like the prison cafe, which gives prisoners purpose and a sense of worth are improving outcomes and why creating a sense of community in jails can benefit the greater community in the long run. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In part two of Liz Sears' chat with Gary, the pair discuss her work in prison and how programs like the prison cafe, which gives prisoners purpose and a sense of worth are improving outcomes and why creating a sense of community in jails can benefit the greater community in the long run.&nbsp;See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="noopener noreferrer">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

What if we changed the way we thought about prison?

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;
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After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.  One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.   

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;
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