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What Inclusion Really Means at Work (And Why We’re Still Getting It Wrong)


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Inclusion is one of the most talked-about values in the modern workplace—but also one of the most misunderstood. We say the word, we build strategies around it, but do we actually know what it looks and feels like?

In this episode of Relationships at Work, host Russel Lolacher welcomes Peter Andrew Danzig — LSW, MSS, MA, CCPT, CPT — a trauma-informed therapist, inclusion strategist, and performing arts professional, to challenge conventional thinking around workplace inclusion.

Together, they explore:

  • Why the “everyone at the table” definition isn’t enough
  • How belonging is the true measure of inclusion
  • The crucial difference between responsibility and accountability in DEI
  • The cost of conflict avoidance in leadership
  • Why HR can’t (and shouldn’t) shoulder inclusion alone
  • What it actually means to bring your full self to work

This conversation isn’t about checking boxes. It’s about redefining inclusion as a lived, evolving, and shared responsibility—and how organizations can move from intention to real impact.

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