If you are interested in the info on the podcast please make sure to verify yourself the information that is presented You are on your own now for determining what is true. No trusted groups are now responsible for it. You can't outsource it. The best way that I have found to find what is true is to ignore what the mind wants to be true and relentlessly attack your own notions of what is true. Ask is that true? Over and over again until you find out

If you verify it yourself please find Steve Kirsch on Substack here: https://substack.com/profile/40661664-steve-kirsch

For reference from the audio on the debate between two trained experts:

James Lyons-Weiler on Substack: https://substack.com/profile/40349055-james-lyons-weiler