Some presidents use their pardons for large groups of people. Some presidents use them for personal reasons. If you were to sum up Donald Trump’s use of the power of the pardon, the only word for it is “brazen.”  

Guest: Benjamin Wallace-Wells is a staff writer at The New Yorker.

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