*WARNING* Listener discretion is advised. This episode may be difficult for some people to listen to as it contains sexually explicit descriptions involving one or more minors and one or more adults. 

This is Part Two of two episodes. Should you choose to hear this interview, listen to this episode AFTER listening to Part One of the interview. 

Picking up where we left off in Part One, this episode further delves into alleged abhorrent behavior by former staff members at The Lord's Ranch. There will be moments of silence during this episode due to necessary pauses in the conversation. 

If this testimony doesn't warrant an investigation, I don't know what does.

*WARNING* Listener discretion is advised. This episode may be difficult for some people to listen to as it contains sexually explicit descriptions involving one or more minors and one or more adults.

This is Part One of two episodes. Should you choose to hear this interview, listen to this episode BEFORE listening to Part Two.

A former resident of The Lord's Ranch goes into graphic detail of what I believe to be the most disturbing interview ever shared on this podcast. Due to the length of our exchange, this podcast has been broken up into two episodes. There will be moments of silence due to necessary pauses in the conversation. 

Nathan Harmon went to The Lord's Ranch for two years in the 90's. In this emotionally charged episode, we discuss his experience-- including stories about former staff who are still affiliated with industries involving children. This included Emmett Presley, Gary Jackson, and several others.

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Michael Robinson went to The Lord's Ranch in the late 90's/early 2000's. If you've been listening to previous episodes, you've heard his name mentioned more than once.

Michael Robinson is now the first person to go on record about an elderly male counselor who allegedly routinely pursued sexual intercourse with young black residents.  Mike goes into detail about where and what his counselor allegedly attempted to do. He also goes into detail about his counselor apologizing profusely when Mike wouldn't allow him to touch him inappropriately.

He also tells of how he immediately reported the incident to two staff members named Gary Jackson and Steve Marlow. Despite the alleged attempted solicitation of a minor, the staff member remained employed by The Lord's Ranch for years to come.  Mike was simply given a different counselor to solve the problem. 

I've heard numerous stories about this counselor--nearly identical-- from multiple people, but nobody wanted to go on record about it.....until now. Mike hopes that sharing his experience will encourage others to come forward about his former counselor, Emmett Alden Presley--AKA Mr. P.

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In our third and final installment of our interview with Alex Smith, we expound on what was previously spoken about in the previous episodes  and Alex shares new memories of what he saw and experienced at The Lord's Ranch.

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In Part 2 of this interview, Alex delves into physical abuse for refusing to say he was a Christian. He also discusses multiple instances of sexual misconduct, and he shares a very personal story that will quite possibly bring you to tears.

This was a very heartbreaking episode and while interviewing, I personally had trouble maintaining my emotional composure.

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This is the first of a series of interview segments in what turned out to be the longest podcast we've done to date. It's a roller coaster of emotions, violence, sexual abuse, and more.  There will be more episodes to come until this entire interview is concluded.

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Kelly Green worked at one of Ted Suhl's numerous Arkansas outpatient facilities as a clinician. She volunteered to share her time with us and told us about multiple ethically questionable business tactics utilized by Ted Suhl. They had marketers planted at schools and courthouses who were incentivized to bring kids into The Lord's Ranch and/or Arkansas Counseling Associates. (This was the name of their outpatient treatment offices spread throughout the state.) 

This conversation provided us with some fascinating insider information. In reading large portions of the court transcripts from Ted's fraud/bribery case, I find none of the information to be particularly surprising. The only part that truly shocks me is that they were allowed to use these business tactics at all. (But then again, I've seen them get away with worse.)

This office was unlike any place she had worked at in the past. She worked there until the FBI's case against Ted Suhl essentially pancaked  Suhl's entire psychiatric treatment operation like an M-1A1 Abrams flattening cars during the WACO standoff.

At any rate, I also added a homework assignment for our listeners at the end of this episode. I'm hoping that this conversation will help provide insight to our listeners. And I also hope I can count on our listeners to help us answer the two questions I ask in this episode

I hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I did. Kelly is a wealth of knowledge and I'm extremely grateful for her participation! :)

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On February 13, 1995, Robert Westerhoff and Christopher Chandler escaped The Lord’s Ranch in a staff vehicle after a staff member left their keys out. Robert was known for being an escape artist from facilities and he took advantage of the keys being left behind.  After driving 100 miles, he fell asleep at the wheel and drove off into a large ravine. Robert died in that accident and Chris was airlifted to a hospital with a ruptured spleen. Terry Westerhoff was Roberts's younger brother. Terry wants to get the message out to everyone that The Lord's Ranch was an inadequate facility. The staff member's inexperience made them ill-prepared to properly run a residential treatment facility. But cheap labor and staff ignorance was purposely chosen over expensive tenured employees, and obeying the law.


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Sammi & Ryan had a late-night chat about some of their podcast controversies and various topics that dip in and out of the history of  The Lord's Ranch.

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