"Every move of God is born in cave and dies in a cathedral." One of the most perplexing realities of church life over the last 2000 years is to watch as God begins to move on the hearts of his people and watch how quickly that is taken captive to would-be leaders, who would prefer to come up with curricula, policies, or programs that distract people from the purity and simplicity of following the Lamb wherever he leads. During his stay in Richmond, Wayne took some time to sit down with Richard Hanes, a dear friend who has had an interesting vantage point to watch how God moves and how men turn his work into movements that eventually squeeze out the life of Jesus.

Podcast Notes:

Wayne's Travel Schedule

Five Common Elements - an article by Richard Hanes

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