New Zealand has announced it will soon loosen restrictions, as the number of cases there has continued to fall.

So when might Australia reach a low enough caseload to consider doing the same thing?

On today's show:

* If Australia and NZ had low cases, could there be a “bubble” where we can travel between each country but no where else?

* How far does Norman think Australia is away from zero or near zero cases?

* If Australia goes for elimination, do we risk creating a COVID-19 vulnerable population?

* Is there somewhere in the middle between zero cases and New York/Italy, eg Sweden?

And Norman explains research from the journal Science about what the world could look like post-pandemic.