As we approach the 2024 election, we wanted to revisit a conversation with one of our favorite guests, Dr. Carol Anderson, the Charles Howard Candler Professor of African American Studies at Emory University. In addition to writing White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Nation’s Divide, One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression is Destroying Our Democracy, and The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America, Dr. Anderson brings a depth of knowledge about our country's ongoing struggle to become a true, multi-racial democracy that felt particularly relevant in the run-up to the election.

At the core of her research agenda is how policy is made and unmade, how racial inequality and racism affect that process and outcome, and how those who have taken the brunt of those laws, executive orders, and directives have worked to shape, counter, undermine, reframe, and, when necessary, dismantle the legal and political edifice used to limit their rights and their humanity. With a gift for making the illegible legible, Dr. Anderson provides us with a clear eyed look at the history that has led to the widely inequitable education system we have today. And while the topic is heavy, she brings joy and laughter to the conversation in a way that can only leave you smiling through the pain.

We close the episode with some new commentary from Dr. Val and Andrew - if you remember the original episode and want to jump ahead to that, you'll find it around the 55:00 mark.

LINKS:

• Dr. Anderson's Original Episode
• Our debrief episode discussing her original episode
• White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Nation’s Divide
• We Are Not Yet Equal – a young readers version of White Rage
• One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression is Destroying Our Democracy
• One Person, No Vote - Young Reader's Edition
• The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America.
• Eye’s Off The Prize – Dr. Anderson’s 2003 book on the shift from a fight for human rights to civil rights at the NAACP
• Charles Hamilton Houston – The first general counsel of NAACP
• Plessy v Ferguson (also, listen to our episode about the Plessy case 125 years later).
• Brown II – The implementation decision – “All deliberate speed . . .”
• Dr. Vanessa Siddle Walker – listen to her episode on our podcast.
• Voting Rights Act of 1965
• Shelby County v. Holder
• Mothers of Massive Resistance – Dr. Elizabeth McRea
• Gabriel’s Revolt
• The Sum Of Us – Heather McGhee (also, hear her episode on our podcast)
• My Grandmother’s Hands – Resmaa Menakem
• The Fisk Jubilee Singers
• Maceo Snipes

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The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.

This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.

Music by Kevin Casey.

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