Who Thought We'd Be Here?

In this episode of Who Thought We’d Be Here?, JP and Steve take a step back from guests and topics to reflect on each other’s expertise — the qualities, habits, and skills that have shaped their friendship, creative work, and this podcast.

The conversation begins with life updates: how new routines, fatherhood, and studio life have influenced their focus and energy. From there, the hosts shift into a deeper dialogue about what they’ve noticed in one another over the years. Patience, for instance, comes up as a strength that shows itself not only in relationships and sobriety, but also in how they’ve navigated rescheduling, setbacks, and long-term goals. Service is another recurring theme, with the lessons of working in restaurants — empathy, small acts of impact, attention to detail — carrying over into podcasting and everyday life.

They also highlight the behind-the-scenes craft that doesn’t always get noticed: editing, production, and the willingness to improve through trial and error. That leads naturally into a discussion about curiosity — how asking better questions unlocks deeper conversations, solutions, and perspectives. Finally, they talk about consistency as a defining quality: not glamorous, but the key driver behind the growth of their podcast, careers, and personal lives.

By naming these strengths in each other, JP and Steve reveal the foundation of their creative partnership. It’s a conversation about recognition, gratitude, and growth — and a reminder that sometimes the people closest to us can see our best qualities more clearly than we can ourselves.

0:00 – Intro
 5:00 – Parenthood, Routines & Focus
 10:00 – Studio Life & Learning the Craft
 15:00 – Why Structure Matters: New Segments
 20:00 – Patience, Service & Life Lessons
 25:00 – Technical Growth & Editing Wins
 30:00 – Curiosity, Conversations & Questions
 35:00 – Consistency, Streaks & Long-Game Thinking
 40:00 – Future Ideas & Wrap-Up

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In this episode, we sit down with Anthony Serino, hypnotist and mindset coach, for a powerful deep dive into how the subconscious mind shapes every aspect of our lives. Anthony opens up about his own struggles with anxiety, identity, and self-sabotage, and how discovering hypnosis gave him the tools to rewire his thinking and change his life.

He breaks down what hypnosis really is — not stage tricks or mind control — but a practical way to quiet the noise, access the subconscious, and rewrite the patterns that drive our habits, fears, and beliefs. Anthony shares how he uses hypnosis with clients to break cycles of procrastination, imposter syndrome, and even addiction, showing that transformation doesn’t come from willpower alone but from shifting the underlying stories we believe about ourselves.

Throughout the conversation, Anthony emphasizes the importance of presence and self-awareness, explaining how slowing down allows us to recognize the unconscious scripts that keep us stuck. We also talk about how hypnosis can help entrepreneurs, creatives, and everyday people stop “getting in their own way” and instead build confidence, clarity, and momentum in their personal and professional lives.

By the end of the episode, Anthony leaves us with practical advice for anyone ready to change: start small, stay consistent, and recognize that your subconscious mind isn’t your enemy — it’s the key to unlocking your potential.

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0:00 Intro & Background  
01:20 Anthony’s Mental Health Struggles & Turning Point  
04:10 Discovering Hypnosis & Personal Transformation  
07:30 Childhood Bullying, Trauma & Identity Struggles  
12:00 Suicide & Existential Crisis  
15:40 Depression, Anxiety & Coping with Emotional Eating  
20:10 Hitting Rock Bottom & Finding Hope  
23:45 First Hypnosis Experience & Skepticism  
27:00 Major Life Changes: Weight Loss, Business Growth, G-Wagon  
29:15 How Hypnosis Works Neurologically  
34:20 Subconscious Programming & Everyday Hypnosis  
37:50 Starting to Practice Hypnosis & Helping Others  
42:10 Selling Business & Going Full-Time in Coaching  
44:00 Action + Mindset: Practical Manifestation Explained  
48:20 Overcoming Fear of Taking Action  
52:00 Faith, Christianity & Manifestation Alignment  
55:00 Identity, Shame & Renewing the Mind  
58:00 Building Resilience, Facing Criticism & Subconscious Triggers  
59:50 MindMod App, Hypnosis Resources & Closing Thoughts 

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In this episode of WTWBH, Steve and JP sit down with Lauren Hoheusle, the owner of Chakra Bowls Cafe, to discuss the intersection of nutrition, mental health, and entrepreneurship. Lauren shares her personal journey, explaining how a tragic loss in 2014 led her to dive deeper into understanding the impact of nutrition on the brain, emotions, and overall well-being.

Lauren emphasizes the interconnectedness of what we eat and how we feel, both physically and mentally. She explains how her own health struggles motivated her to explore holistic approaches to wellness, blending nutrition, mental health, and spirituality. As an entrepreneur in the health and wellness space, Lauren provides insights on navigating the nuances of organic, natural, and processed foods, and shares her go-to wellness brands and supplements.

One of Lauren's passions is improving the nutritional quality of meals served in schools and hospitals. She shares her vision for bringing more wholesome, plant-based options to these institutions, with the goal of positively impacting the health and well-being of children and patients. Lauren also credits her yoga and meditation practices as crucial to her personal growth and healing, discussing how these mindfulness techniques have helped her through challenging times.

Throughout the episode, Lauren emphasizes the holistic approach to health and wellness that she advocates for, blending nutrition, mental health, and entrepreneurship. Her inspiring story and practical insights offer valuable lessons for anyone looking to improve their overall well-being and make a positive impact in their community.

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0:00 Lauren shares her journey founding Chakra Bowls Café
3:30 how the food we eat directly impacts mood and brain function.
7:00 meal planning, cleanses, and building a balanced relationship with food.
11:30 the highs and lows of running a wellness-focused café and food truck.
16:00  slowing down, managing stress, and avoiding burnout as an entrepreneur.
20:30 the healing power of whole foods and the philosophy behind Chakra Bowls.
25:00 letting go of perfectionism creates more joy and authenticity.
30:00 how the body signals stress and ways to stay grounded.
35:00 importance of community and connection in healing.
40:00 definition of success has shifted toward health and alignment.
45:00  practical tools for resilience and living with intention.
50:00 closing reflections on healing and authenticity.

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Michael Chernow — restaurateur, entrepreneur, endurance athlete, and founder of Kreatures of Habit — joins us for a brutally honest conversation about addiction, recovery, discipline, and building a life worth living.From running some of New York City’s most iconic restaurants to hitting rock bottom with drugs and alcohol, Michael’s journey is a masterclass in transformation. He shares the moment he realized, “I’m gonna die. I hate myself,” and how that pain became the catalyst for an entirely new way of living.  We go deep into what sobriety really means — and why quitting drinking or drugs is only step one. Michael breaks down the routines, mindset shifts, and non-negotiables that keep him on track:

• Why discipline beats motivation every time
• The morning routine that builds your “foundation” for the day
• The 3 C’s that guide his life — Commitment, Confidence, and Courage
• How community and accountability play a vital role in staying sober
• Why entrepreneurship is about people, not just profit
• The story behind Kreatures of Habit and his newest product launch

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3:00 – Restaurants and cocaine
5:45 – Life is pain
6:30 – Self-proclaimed savage; life is pure sober
8:30 – Glass half full; wine sales down 40%
9:30 – School picture policy; getting off phones
12:00 – Boundaries around quality time; work/life balance
14:00 – True wealth is the people you love
15:20 – Entrepreneur mindset: “Who am I working 14 hours a day for?”
20:00 – Happiness in Denmark and work policies
22:00 – Purpose is love, not just drive
25:00 – Sobriety advice: stay in the present moment
26:45 – Building your foundation in the morning
28:30 – “Don’t trip at the starting line” — I am a miracle
30:00 – Your brain on alcoholism
31:30 – Doing what you say as a superpower
35:15 – Guilt from the past
40:00 – Calling the man who saved my life on my sober anniversary
41:45 – The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle
43:00 – Relationship with God and dealing with fear
46:00 – We are built to endure hard things
47:00 – Turning up your awareness
50:00 – “I’m gonna die. I hate myself” — Michael’s rock bottom
54:00 – Daily routine for sobriety
1:01:30 – Diet & exercise: The 3 C’s (Commitment, Confidence, Courage)
1:04:00 – AA meetings daily
1:06:10 – Community in sobriety
1:08:00 – Story of Kreatures of Habit
1:12:00 – Crowdfunding a business venture
1:14:30 – Tony Robbins: “All you need is 100 raving fans”
1:15:30 – Kreatures of Habit protein bar announcement
1:17:00 – Closing thoughts & thanks

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In this episode of Who Thought We’d Be Here?, stand-up comedian David Stickle gets honest about the messy, uncomfortable, and hilarious process of becoming a comic. He opens up about how terrifying his early sets were, what it’s like to bomb in front of a crowd, and why anxiety still shows up before every performance — no matter how many times he’s done it.

David shares how stand-up helped him move through self-doubt, build confidence, and discover a deeper version of himself on stage. From managing hecklers to balancing authenticity with the pressure to be liked, this conversation explores the tension between fear and courage — and the power of doing the hard thing anyway.

If you’ve ever wondered what it really takes to get up there and try to make people laugh, this one’s for you.

00:00 – Intro & meeting David Stickle  
03:15 – How David got into stand-up and his first few sets  
07:40 – What bombing on stage taught him  
11:25 – Anxiety and the moments right before going on  
15:50 – Building stage presence & emotional resilience  
20:30 – Balancing vulnerability and humor  
26:05 – The pressure to be liked vs. being yourself  
30:40 – When the jokes aren’t landing  
35:15 – Processing fear and rejection after a bad set  
39:00 – Why he keeps returning to stand-up  
44:10 – Comedy as a tool for authenticity and self-growth  
48:00 – Are we ever actually *ready* to do the hard thing?  
51:45 – Finding confidence through repetition and discomfort  
56:15 – The vulnerability hangover after being fully seen  
59:20 – Shifting expectations and defining personal success  
1:03:10 – How the audience changes the performer  
1:06:30 – What keeps him grounded when it gets hard  
1:10:45 – Letting go of needing approval  
1:14:00 – Advice for anyone thinking about starting stand-up  
1:17:40 – Final reflections and outro

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In this stripped-back solo episode, your favorite co-hosts return to one of their original recording spots — but they’re not the same people they were when they started. It’s a full-circle moment, and what follows is an open, emotional conversation about growth, fatherhood, sobriety, and self-work.

They reflect on the idea that quitting drinking didn’t solve everything. “I thought quitting drinking would fix everything. It didn’t.” Sobriety, they realize, was just step one. The real challenge was facing the emotional pain, the loneliness, the avoidance, and the hard truths about themselves.

They talk about impending fatherhood, breaking generational trauma, navigating identity without numbing, and the quiet struggle of maintaining self-care when it doesn’t feel like it’s working. The most powerful theme? That healing isn’t about one big moment — it’s about showing up, again and again, even on the days that suck.

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In this powerful and heart-centered episode, we sit down with Federico Fridman, co-founder of Cacao Lab, to explore how plants, fatherhood, and men’s work transformed his relationship with himself and the world around him.

Federico shares how ceremonial cacao went from a personal healing practice to a thriving business built with his sister and rooted in ancestral connection. He opens up about what it means to lead as a man today — one who holds space, embraces softness, and unlearns shame — all while navigating the real-life challenges of entrepreneurship, emotional growth, and fatherhood.

This episode is an honest look at how we break cycles, find purpose, and choose presence — even when life doesn’t go as planned.

Whether you're curious about cacao, evolving as a leader, or simply trying to show up more fully in your life, this conversation is a beautiful starting point.

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And watch our episode with Federico's partner Taylor Lyons here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMWk3V0MoAY&t=880s

00:00 – Intro: What ceremonial cacao really is and why it matters  
05:20 – Building a business rooted in ancestral respect & family healing  
12:00 – From personal ritual to a global cacao brand  
17:40 – Men's circles: creating space for honesty, softness & safety  
22:00 – How fatherhood shifted everything emotionally & spiritually  
30:50 – Burnout, boundaries & showing up as a leader who’s still healing  
38:50 – Sobriety, ceremony, and the joy that came after nightlife  
46:30 – The moment Federico found out he was becoming a father  
52:50 – Identity, roots, and building a life between Argentina & upstate NY  
59:00 – Legacy, love, and preparing for what's next  
01:10:30 – Final reflections & where to connect with Federico

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In this episode, we sit down with Katie Parent, a licensed therapist and holistic healer, to explore what healing really means—beyond talk therapy and into the body, the nervous system, and lived experience.

Katie shares how she combines traditional mental health practices with somatic tools, nervous system regulation, and energy work like Reiki to support people through trauma, burnout, and the messy process of becoming more whole. We discuss the difference between survival mode and true self-awareness, how trauma often lives in the body long after the mind thinks it’s healed, and why so many people are stuck in patterns that aren't their fault—but are their responsibility to shift.

She also opens up about her own healing path, including childhood trauma, divorce, and what it means to show up as a therapist who’s still doing the work. We dive into addiction as an expression of unmet needs, the impact of little-t trauma, and why healing doesn't happen in isolation—it happens in connection.

If you've ever felt burned out, numb, overly responsible, or like you're doing all the "right" things and still not feeling better, this one’s for you

00:00:00 – Meet Katie: therapist, healer, space holder  
00:01:00 – Therapy, energy work & bridging science with spirituality  
00:05:00 – Trauma in the body vs. talk therapy  
00:10:00 – The nervous system, survival mode & burnout  
00:17:00 – Chronic stress, digestion & trauma in the organs  
00:22:00 – Childhood patterns, anxiety & confidence  
00:30:00 – Relationships, parenting, and healing through connection  
00:38:00 – Katie’s personal trauma & therapist identity  
00:44:00 – Shame, addiction, self-talk & emotional reparenting  
00:53:00 – Root-cause healing & readiness for change  
01:00:00 – Reiki, emotional pain & asking for help  
01:10:00 – Daily practices: hydration, cold showers, nervous system care  
01:15:00 – Where to find Katie + what’s coming next

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In this raw and inspiring episode, we sit down with Allen Wong — filmmaker, distance runner, and former addict — to explore how endurance sports and creativity helped him rebuild his identity from the ground up.

Allen opens up about his chaotic past: growing up in a traditional Asian household, falling into addiction during his years of heavy partying, and losing his sense of self. But after COVID forced him into isolation, something shifted. He started running. Then filming. Then healing.

From shooting marathon footage with a GoPro to building a tight-knit community of runners and recovering friends, Allen shares how storytelling and suffering on the road gave him a new reason to live. We talk about imposter syndrome, the loneliness of social media, the power of faith in yourself, and what it means to put something out into the world even when you think no one’s watching.

If you’ve ever felt lost, like you’ve burned bridges or missed your moment — this one’s for you.

00:00–Intro: Meet Allen Wong
01:00–How Allen met the hosts through filming and running
05:00–Allen’s 24-hour race shoot and the “Walking Dead” lean
07:00–The story of addiction begins: fake IDs, rebellion, and burnout
11:00–COVID isolation and why it was the wake-up call Allen needed
13:00–From 210 lbs to his first run: how running changed everything
15:00–First half marathon and falling in love with the process
17:00–Discovering YouTube running creators & picking up a GoPro
19:00–Getting into trail running & documenting the journey
21:00–Growing up poor, bullied, and learning resilience
23:00–How addiction gave him a superpower when redirected
25:00–Rebuilding his relationship with his parents
28:00–Getting into filmmaking, thanks to friends and YouTube
30:00–First time filming a real athlete and making it work
32:00–Creating content that inspired friends to run too
34:00–The impact of storytelling and impostor syndrome
35:00–Running the NYC Marathon in memory of a lost friend
37:00–Being humbled by the marathon and coming back stronger
39:00–Documenting his story with UPS and seeing it on the big screen
41:00–Why he films “regular people” instead of elite runners
49:00–What running really gives you — and why it’s more than fitness
51:00–Faith, flow states, and doing the hard thing on purpose
53:00–Running as spiritual practice and life mirror
56:00–The importance of delayed gratification
1:00:00–Why the marathon humbles you (and why that's a gift)
1:02:00–Creating from vulnerability: "You’re never fully ready, just hit publish"
1:04:00–Allen on imposter syndrome and doing it anyway
1:08:30–The power of showing up for others & building creative community
1:10:30–From self-doubt to impact: when someone says your work changed their life
1:17:00–Post-creative anxiety and releasing attachment to the outcome
1:19:00–Why hard conversations are worth it, even when they’re awkward
1:21:00–Allen’s advice for anyone stuck or scared: “Fuck it, let’s ball”
1:23:00–Allen’s personal “council” of inspiration
1:25:00–Where to find Allen online & join the Cadence Collective run club

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In this episode, we sit down with Jess Kravit, founder of Exalted Alchemy, to dive deep into the world of herbalism, natural wellness, entrepreneurship, and energetic healing. Jess breaks down what it really means to be a clinical herbalist in a modern world that’s both disconnected from nature and hungry for authenticity.

From her journey with food-as-medicine and flower essences to the intentional, vibe-rich creation of her skincare, tinctures, and candles, Jess shares how she’s built a business that feels like an extension of self — and how she's learned to separate her identity from her brand. The conversation covers everything from garlic’s antiviral powers to the FDA's impact on herbalists, flower essence therapy, and the real energy behind making something by hand.

00:00 – Intro & Meet Jess
 00:01:11 – The Reality of Running a Product-Based Business
 00:03:39 – Community & Entrepreneurial Friendships
 00:04:58 – Herbalism Origins: From Vegetarianism to Clinical Study
 00:07:03 – Toxic Skincare & Ingredient Awareness
 00:08:25 – Food Disconnection & the Pharma Parallel
 00:10:02 – Taste as Medicine: Why Capsules Aren’t Enough
 00:11:34 – Exalted Alchemy Product Overview
 00:13:03 – Skincare, Naming Products & Childhood Dreams
 00:16:05 – Developing Ritual Products & Specialty Collaborations
 00:17:36 – Top Go-To Herbs: Nettles, Elderberry & Garlic
 00:20:01 – Garlic Suppositories & Alternative Treatments
 00:21:27 – The Legal Limits of Herbalists
 00:24:01 – Herbalism Is Ancestral Memory
 00:25:21 – Customer Education & Skepticism
 00:28:18 – Product Matching for Mental Health
 00:31:11 – Flower Essences vs. Herbal Remedies
 00:34:10 – Saint John’s Wort & Nerve Support
 00:35:38 – Infusing Brand with Personality — and Separating from It
 00:38:25 – Vibes, Intention & Energy in Products
 00:41:15 – Making Tinctures, Face Oils & Energetic Skincare
 00:44:16 – Flower Essences: How They’re Made
 00:47:09 – Mental Health & Emotional Healing with Flower Essences
 00:54:04 – From Survival to Thriving with Plants
 00:58:11 – Live Demo: Grounding Spray Experience
 01:00:16 – Candle Rituals & Gemini Moon Energy

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