Why Change? A Podcast for the Creative Generation

Why Change? A Podcast for the Creative Generation

By Creative GenerationArts
Download on the App Store

Why Change? A Podcast for the Creative Generation episodes

  • S3 Ep14: Grasping the Aerosol of Creativity with Michael Anderson

    During this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Madeleine and Jeff discuss their recent work supporting arts engagements with young creatives around the world. Jeff shares his interview with Professor Michael Anderson, Co-Director of the CREATE Centre at the University of Sydney. The dialogues focus on creative transformation for pedagogy, schools, and education systems - and how we can catalyze it!

    In this episode you’ll learn:

    1. About the 4 Cs of school and education transformation;

    2. How interpersonal relations can drive change personally, in organizations, and systems; and

    3. Why we need to close the policy-pedagogy gap right now!

    4. Check out some of the things mentioned during this podcast, including: 

      • The CREATE Centre at the University of Sydney

      • 4C Transformative Learning

      • Transforming Schools by Michael Anderson and Miranda Jefferson

      • Transforming Education by Michael Anderson and Miranda Jefferson

      • Centring Creative Youth in Community Development” webinar by Jeff M. Poulin at the CREATE Centre

      • The PISA 2022 Creative Thinking Assessment from the OECD

      • ABOUT MICHAEL ANDERSON:

        Professor Michael Anderson is an internationally recognised educational leader. He has taught, researched and published in education and transformation for over 20 years including 17 books and 55 book chapters and journal articles. His international research and practice focus on how the 4Cs can be integrated using coherent frameworks to make learning meet the needs of 21st Century learners.
        This episode was produced by Jeff M. Poulin. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s webpage and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC

        1 hr 2 min
      • S3 Ep13: Facilitating Exchanges with Khairina Khalid

        During this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Madeleine and Karla discuss their recent collaboration. Madeleine shares her interview with Khairina Khalid who talks about her intergenerational, international collaborations. They all discuss the role of mentorship and using our artistry to drive powerful collaborations around the world. 

        In this episode you’ll learn:

        1. How intergenerational mentorship can spur global dialogue;

        2. The ways our practice can improve by harnessing our identity as artists; and

        3. Why working together strengthens our process, projects, and networks.

        4. Check out some of the things mentioned during this podcast, including: 

          • ITAC Innovators

          • Call to Action collaboration between Scotland and Singapore

          • The Living Newspaper project

          • Teater Ekamatra

          • ABOUT KHAIRINA KHALID:

            Khairina Khalid is a Singaporean producer and production manager who enjoys working on productions that touch on socio-political issues, as well as projects that give a voice for the minority community. Having first been involved in Ekamatra’s youth incubation programme back in 2014, Khai has grown together with the company for almost a decade. Most recently, she produced and facilitated Call To Action, an online and cross-cultural interpretation of the Living Newspaper, that aims to engage with young people, through digital and online techniques. To date, the Call To Action programme has seen 3 editions and has impacted over a hundred youths globally. In 2022, Call To Action was awarded the CDN Digital Learning Award (UK) for its impact as a social learning tool for young people.
            Currently, she is exploring more ways to create programmes for youths and young audiences, to create more meaningful work that champions the ethnic minority culture and traditions. She is currently the General Manager of Teater Ekamatra in Singapore.


            This episode was produced by Madeleine McGirk; the executive producer is Jeff M. Poulin. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s webpage and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC

            44 min
          • S3 Ep12: Field Building with Käthe Swaback and Matt D'Arrigo

            In this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Ashraf and Jeff discuss the field building support of the Creative Youth Development (CYD) field of practice in the United states. Ashraf interviews Kaäthe Swaback from the Massachusetts Cultural Council and Matt D’Arrigo from the Clare Rose Foundation and their work with the CYD Funders Forum. Ashraf and Jeff discuss definitions, multiple perspectives, power, and responsibilities to cultivate the conditions for this field to thrive!

            In this episode you’ll learn:

            • How the many perspectives we bring from our past work can contribute to field-building a community of practice;

            • The ways that funders share knowledge and contribute to intertwined strategies; and 

            • Why we should invest small acts into a greater momentum of change.

            • Some things from the episode:

              • Clare Rose Center for Creative Youth Development: https://clarerosecenterforcyd.org/

              • Mass Cultural Council’s Creative Youth Development (CYD): https://massculturalcouncil.org/creative-youth-development/

              • CultureRx: Social Prescription pilot: https://massculturalcouncil.org/blog/study-unveils-benefits-recommendations-for-social-prescription/

              • Raw Art Works: https://www.rawartworks.org/

              • The Boston Youth Arts Evaluation Project: https://massculturalcouncil.org/creative-youth-development/boston-youth-arts-evaluation-project/

              • CYD National Partnership: https://www.creativeyouthdevelopment.org/

              • Youth Arts Impact Network: https://youthartsimpactnetwork.weebly.com/

              • 3C Data Alliance: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XYgdYZep1Xzs2n5PEx2e5vlH5gkHC5Zo/view

              • Ten dimensions of powerful arts education: https://hewlett.org/powerful-arts-education-practice/

              • Sign up for the CYD Funders forum by emailing [email protected] 

              • About Käthe Swaback

                Käthe Swaback is a visual artist and arts administrator with an M.A. in art therapy. In 2019, Käthe joined Mass Cultural Council’s Creative Youth Development (CYD) team where she also co-leads the arts and health initiative, CultureRx: Social Prescription pilot. Her passion for exploring the impact of the intersections of social justice, health, and community building through the arts stems from and is fueled by over 25 years of work as an art therapist and program director in CYD organizations and collaborating in CYD initiatives (Raw Art Works, The Boston Youth Arts Evaluation Project, the CYD National Partnership, and currently, the Youth Arts Impact Network, and the 3C Data Alliance).

                About Matt D’Arrigo

                Matt D’Arrigo has dedicated the past 20 years of his life to being a champion and advocate for the arts and young people. He is the Director of Creative Youth Development at the Clare Rose Foundation and the Co-Founder of The Clare Rose Center for Creative Youth Development (CYD) in San Diego, CA. The Center is a backbone organization and philanthropic intermediary established to ensure that CYD funders, practitioners, organizations, and young people have access to the resources, tools, opportunities, and relationships they need to thrive. With a small team, D’Arrigo oversees local, regional, and national strategy, investments, advocacy, coalition building, and field building activities.

                This episode was produced by Ashraf Hasham. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.

                58 min
              • S3 Ep11: Granting Yourself Permissions with Jorge Lucero

                In this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Karla and Jeff  talk about working within systems to change those systems. Jeff shares his interview with Dr. Jorge Lucero focused on his book and work about “Conceptual Art’s Permissions” which can be employed in arts education. Karla and Jeff break down the ideas and think about how they can use these permissions to move towards systems of abundance. 

                In this episode you’ll learn:

                • About Conceptual Art’s Permissions in arts education;

                • How our stories can inform the ways we navigate systems in culture and education; and 

                • Ways in which we can apply disruptive tactics to reimagine systems and our work.

                • Some things from the episode:

                  • “TEACHER AS ARTIST-IN-RESIDENCE: THE MOST RADICAL FORM OF EXPRESSION TO EVER EXIST”

                  • Projects

                  • “Creative Generation: Ethnographic And Heuristic Approach To Inquiry”

                  • Art Education Hub


                  • Jorge Lucero is a Mexican-American artist who currently serves as Associate Professor of Art Education in the  School of Art + Design at University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. Sometimes he serves as the Chair of that program. Lucero received his Master degree and PhD from The Pennsylvania State University and his undergraduate degree from The School of the Art Institute of Chicago. Prior to moving into higher education Lucero happily taught art and art history at the Chicago Public School, Northside College Prep. 

                    As part of his lifelong work to test the material and conceptual pliability of "school" Lucero participates in and around the academy in every manner possible. He has exhibited, performed, published, presented on, served as editor and reviewer, and taught through his work in galleries, schools and school districts, books, journals, conferences, workshops, museums, community organizations, performances, advisory boards, and artist residencies. Exhibitions that Lucero has participated in have been written about and covered in ArtForum; Sculpture; NewCity; the Chicago Tribune; the Sun-Times; Gaper's Block; DNAinfo, WTTW's Chicago Tonight; WGLT.org; and the PBS Digital Studio. 

                    Lucero is the editor of the compendiums Mere and Easy: Collage as a Critical Practice in Pedagogy (2016, U of I Press)**, What Happens at the Intersection of Conceptual Art and Teaching? (2023, w/ Catalina Hernandez Cabal through the Amsterdam University of the Arts), and several other volumes. He’s also the author of Teacher as Artist-in-Residence: The Most Radical Form of Expression to Ever Exist (2020, The Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts).

                    Lucero is also Conceptual Art & Teaching, an ongoing project that is simultaneously a hub, archive, and artwork at the increasingly active intersection where conceptual art and teaching practices meet.

                    This episode was produced by Jeff M. Poulin. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.


                    1 hr 1 min
                  • S3 Ep10: Reframing Philanthropy with Nikki Kirk

                    In this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Karla and Ashraf discuss their perspectives on navigating work and life. Ashraf shares his interview with Nikki Kirk, a cultural equity practitioner who focuses her work on reframing the role of philanthropy in the cultural sector. Karla and Ashraf break down the throughlines of Nikki’s work through the use of linguistics, community-driven funding, and ‘radical’ approaches to systems change.

                    In this episode you’ll learn:

                    • About the role of language in framing the purpose of philanthropy;

                    • How communities can drive funding priorities towards goals of equity; and

                    • The ways change can be radical and productive within larger systems.

                    • Some things from the episode:

                      • Indy Arts Council

                      • Creative Renewal Arts Fellowship

                      • A Look Into What Drives Changemakers From The First Season Of Why Change? The Podcast For A Creative Generation

                      • Why Change? Why Poetry?: Poetry Is The Language Of The People

                      • Making It A Movement, Not A Moment, an analysis of funder perspectives

                      • About Nikki Kirk

                        Nikki Kirk (she/her) is a cultural equity practitioner who is dedicated to advocating for systemically excluded and institutionally oppressed populations. She has worked across the country centering on youth and leadership development, and supporting local, regional, and national communities. Through her work with organizations like Americans for the Arts, Massachusetts Cultural Council, the Center for Arts-Inspired Learning, and El Sistema USA, she has supported individual and organizational growth. Nikki has diverse experience as a grant manager, facilitator, curriculum developer, program coordinator, project manager, mentor, and advisor. She currently serves as the Director of Community Impact & Investment with the Indy Arts Council, as well as a Project Consultant for the Aspen Institute’s Artist Endowed Foundations Initiative.

                        Nikki earned a Master’s degree in Arts, Festival, and Cultural Management from Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh, Scotland, where she researched the impact of programming at the intersection of arts and social justice. She received a Bachelor’s degree in Political Linguistics from Pitzer College in southern California, where she affirmed her interests in and the significance of language and identity, human rights, and cross-cultural understanding.

                        This episode was produced by Ashraf Hasham. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.

                        55 min
                      • S3 Ep9: Making Change: Teaching Artists and Their Role in Shaping a Better World with Eric Booth

                        In this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Madeleine and Jeff check in about their work advancing arts education globally. Madeleine shares her recent conversation with teaching artist, Eric Booth about his new book. Madeleine and Jeff debrief by reflecting on the field of practice, how it has evolved, and where it is going.

                        In this episode you’ll learn:

                        • About Eric’s new book, “Making Change: Teaching Artists and Their Role in Shaping a Better World;”

                        • How the field of teaching artistry has shifted and will continue to shift; and

                        • Radical new ideas for the future of the work.

                        • Some things from the episode:

                          • Eric’s Website

                          • ITAC Webpage: “Making Change: Teaching Artists and Their Role in Shaping a Better World”

                          • Book Webpage

                          • Eric's first episode on Why Change? Podcast

                          • “Embedding Advocacy Into Your Practice” by Jeff Poulin

                          • About Eric Booth

                            As an actor, Eric Booth performed in many plays on Broadway, Off-Broadway and around the country, playing over 23 Shakespearean roles (Hamlet three times), and winning “Best Actor” awards on both coasts. Throughout 1981, he performed the American tour of Alec McCowen’s one-man play St. Mark’s Gospel. He has performed many times on television, directed five productions, and produced two plays in New York.

                            As a businessman, he started a small company, Alert Publishing, that in seven years became the largest of its kind in the U.S. analyzing research on trends in American lifestyles and publishing newsletters, books, and reports. He became a major figure in trend analysis, frequently quoted by the major media with interviews often appearing in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and elsewhere. He appeared as an expert on NBC News, Sunday Today, and several times on CNN. He was given a syndicated radio program on the Business Radio Network, and was a frequent speaker to business groups. He sold his company in 1991 in order to work full time on passion projects in arts learning.

                            As an author, he has had seven books published. His newest book (2019) is Tending the Perennials: The Art and Spirit of a Personal Religion. This is a companion book to The Everyday Work of Art which was a brief bestseller, won three awards and was a Book of the Month Club selection. He has written three dozen magazine articles, was the Founding Editor of the Teaching Artist Journal, and his book The Music Teaching Artist’s Bible was published by Oxford University Press in 2009. Playing for Their Lives (co-authored with Tricia Tunstall) (W.W. Norton, 2016) sprang from studying El Sistema-inspired programs in 25 countries around the world. His latest book Tending the Perennials: The Art and Spirit of a Personal Religion (2019) focuses on the ways art and spirituality overlap in everyday life. He has placed articles in the Harvard Education Review/Focus Issue on Arts Education, in the special creativity focus issue of Educational Leadership, in Symphony magazine, as well as the creativity chapter in the Routledge International Handbook on Arts Education (2015).


                            This episode was produced by Madeleine McGirk. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.

                            55 min
                          • S3 Ep8: Imagining Futures with Arts and Technology with Pawel Pokutycki

                            In this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Jeff and Madeleine check in about recent adventures and share Madeleine’s interview with Pawel Pokutycki. Pawel works at the intersection of the arts, technology, and community dialogues about the future. They all discuss new possibilities for the future, and new projects that are leading the way. 

                            In this episode you’ll learn:

                            • How transcending spaces, places, and communities can foster new perspectives on our work;

                            • The intersection of technologies to reimagine possible futures; and 

                            • The potential for youth and artists creating solutions to current social challenges.

                            • About Pawel Pokutycki

                              Pawel Pokutycki (PL/NL) is an interaction designer, researcher and lecturer at the Royal Academy of Art (KABK) in The Hague and Design Academy Eindhoven, The Netherlands. In 2005 he initiated early activities of the RFID Lab, later called the AR+RFID Lab, an experimental interdisciplinary platform for research in the application of Augmented Reality (AR) and Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technologies in the field of art and design. His recent projects focus on exploring relationships between new media theory, political, social and cultural studies by concept development and prototyping for interactive media.

                              This episode was produced by Madeleine McGirk. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.

                              57 min
                            • S3 Ep7: Exploring Poetic Inquiry with Camea Davis

                              In this episode of Why Change? co-host Jeff M. Poulin chats with Dr. Camea Davis about poetry and education research. Through the dialogue, Camea shares her work developing an approach to critical poetic inquiry and the outcomes of using it to analyze Season 2 of this podcast! Her poetic work is embedded throughout the episode. 

                              In this episode you’ll learn:

                              • About poetic inquiry and how it can be used in education research;

                              • How poems can be used as data and artifact to expanding loved experiences; and 

                              • Through Camea’s poetry about the common ideas shared in Season 2 of the Why Change? podcast. 

                              • Some things from the episode:

                                • Poetic Inquiry Blogs

                                • National Youth Poet Laureate Program

                                • First Wave Program

                                • Social Justice in Education Award (2015) Lecture: Gloria J. Ladson-Billings

                                • Dear Womb- a Love Letter book

                                • Camea’s Spoken Word Album

                                • Camea’s website

                                • What is poetic inquiry?

                                • ABER at AERA

                                • Tricia Hersey

                                • Linda Krakauers’ “Arts Integration and the Success of Disadvantaged Students: A Research Evaluation”

                                • About Camea Davis

                                  Dr. Camea L. Davis (she/her) serves as the Director of Knowledge with a focus on impact evaluation. In this role, she guides the collective work of producing new and honoring existing forms of knowledge and ways of knowing, while dismantling systemic barriers to sharing and learning.

                                  Davis is a poet, educator, and educational researcher with a heart for urban youth and communities. Her research focuses on youth activism, racial justice in teacher education, critical collaborative ethnography, and critical poetic inquiry. Davis has published in Qualitative Inquiry; Equity & Excellence in Education; The Journal of Middle School Education; Art/Research International: A Transdisciplinary Journal; Ubiquity: The Journal of Literature, Literacy, and the Arts; The Journal of Hip Hop Studies; and The Journal of School and Society. Davis has authored conference papers for the American Educational Research Association, the International Congress of Qualitative Inquiry, The National Council on Teachers of English, The National Association of Multicultural Educators, The National Performance Network, The Kennedy Center, The International Symposium on Poetic Inquiry, and presented a Tedx Talk through performance poetry on the topic of  language diversity in schools.

                                  Davis earned her Doctorate in Curriculum and Instruction, Multicultural Education, and Educational Technology from Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana, a Masters in Arts of Teaching from Marian University in Indianapolis, Indiana, and a Bachelor’s of Arts Degree in English Literature from the University of Wisconsin Madison.

                                  She currently works from Atlanta, Georgia and enjoys reading for leisure, writing poetry, and watching stand up comedy.

                                  This episode was produced by Jeff M. Poulin. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.

                                  27 min
                                • S3 Ep6: It's About the People with Jasmin Cardenas

                                  During this episode of Why Change? co-hosts Karla and Jeff discuss Karla’s conversation with Jasmin Cardenas, theatre director and activist from Workers Teatro. The dialogues focus on the reciprocal and multiple intersections of the arts and labor issues: how can labor improve in the arts and how can the arts contribute to systemic changes in labor?


                                  In this episode you’ll learn:

                                  • How theatre techniques, like Boal’s Theatre of the Oppressed, can contribute to dialogues about labor in Chicago;

                                  • What the arts may learn from labor movements in other sectors; and 

                                  • The ways teaching artists can act as facilitators for important dialogues about worker’s experiences.


                                  • Some things from the episode:

                                    • Workers TEATRO

                                    • Pedagogy and Theatre of the Oppressed

                                    • Community Writing Project and Workers Teatro collaboration with University of Illinois Chicago

                                    • Jasmine’s solo commissioned work with 1st Stage


                                    • About Jasmine Cardenas

                                      Over the past 15 years Jasmin has taught, directed and devised with community members, adults and youth throughout the city for WorkersTEATRO (Co-Founder), Workers Resistance Theater (Co-Founder), Lookingglass Theater, Silk Road Theater Project, Adventure Stage Chicago, Lifeline Theater, Chase Elementary and at Carpenter Fine Arts, to name a few. 

                                      In 2019 she facilitated creative youth leaders from across Chicago's city and neighborhoods and organizations to create the 2019 Youth Speak: RIGHTS OF CHICAGO'S CREATIVE LEADERS. This was in partnership with Chicago Park District's  Arts & Culture Culture Unit, led be Meida McNeil, and youth leaders from Albany Park Theater Project, Free Street Theater, Kumba Lynx, Move Me Soul, YOUMedia, Columbus Park  Inferno Youth Media Team, Free Spirit Media & the adults who support their learning, growing  and thriving. Our gatherings were held at Chicago Parks across the city. 

                                      Using Theater of the Oppressed she uses the tool of theater for social justice work. With Pastor Phil Jackson she Co-Founded Ambassadors for a United Lawndale; working towards racial reconciliation between African American and Latino Youth on the SW side of the city. Supported by The MacArthur Foundation she traveled with 20 students to Mexico to learn about the African presence in Mexico. 

                                      She served on the Board of The Pedagogy and Theatre of the Oppressed (PTO) and was the Lead Organizer of the 2011 International PTO Conference held in Chicago. Along with her students, recipient of the 2010 Public Square (Illinois Humanities Council) Award Art Urges, Art Voyages – Looking for Democracy Film Contest. Using her specialization in Creative Drama Jasmin has been teaching children, parents and educators (across the ages 0-100) of the many literacy benefits that can be experienced in bringing stories to life.

                                      This episode was produced by Karla Estela Rivera. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.

                                      1 hr 31 min
                                    • S3 Ep5: Leading to an Upward Spiral with Sana Jafri

                                      During this episode of Why Change? Co-hosts Ashraf and Jeff discuss Ashraf’s conversation with Sana Jafri, from the Chicago Learning Exchange. They discuss unconventional pathways to systems change work, radical imagination, and the goal of social capital. Ashraf and Jeff debrief by thinking about the “upward spiral."


                                      In this episode you’ll learn:

                                      • How immersive learning opportunities can infuse new knowledge in professionals;

                                      • The power of radical imagination in systems change; and 

                                      • How to lead to an upward spiral.


                                      • Some things from the episode:

                                        • Chicago Learning Exchange

                                        • Critical Network Literacy by Kira Baker-Doyle

                                        • Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone 

                                        • The Clinton Foundation Fellowship

                                        • Teen Arts Pass in Chicago

                                        • Skillman Foundation


                                        • About 

                                          Sana Jafri is the Executive Director of the Chicago Learning Exchange (CLX), a nonprofit network of 200+ youth-serving organizations in Chicago's out-of-school time learning ecosystem. Sana has been with CLX for over 8 years and during this time, her accomplishments include creating the City of Chicago's first festival for experiential learning entitled Chicago Learning Days as well creating the Brother Mike Award – a $5,000 no-strings attached award for out-of-school time mentors in Chicago.
                                          This episode was produced by Ashraf Hasham. The artwork is by Bridget Woodbury. The audio is edited by Katie Rainey. This podcasts’ theme music is by Distant Cousins. For more information on this episode, episode transcripts, and Creative Generation please visit the episode’s web page and follow us on social media @Campaign4GenC.

                                          1 hr 8 min

                                        About Why Change? A Podcast for the Creative Generation

                                        From the publisher's feed

                                        We bring listeners around the globe to learn how arts, culture, and creativity — as applied by young people — can change the world, one community at a time. Produced by Creative Generation, the hosts…