Diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) is being weaponized by Donald Trump and Project 2025 and right-wing activists. That's because DEI has been around since the start of the country, opening doors of opportunity for millions of Americans, correcting past wrongs, and, crucially, benefiting everyone. In this episode, Stacey Abrams speaks with Kenji Yoshino, director of NYU’s Meltzer Center for Diversity, Inclusion, and Belonging and a constitutional law professor, about why we should clearly define, defend, and expand DEI. They explain who is covered, counter the misinformation about how DEI works, and advocate for DEI as a necessary tool for the future for the country.

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Learn & Do More:

• Sign up for updates from American Pride Rises at aprnetwork.org
• Find risk assessment resources from the Meltzer Center at advancingdei.meltzercenter.org
• Check out Nicholas Confessore’s thorough reporting on DEI opposition for The New York Times