Charles and Dom are joined by Amanda Tattersall, host of the ChangeMakers Podcast, who just interviewed Senator Fatima Payman on what went down behind closed doors before she left the Labor Party. Hear Dom and Charles debrief with Amanda about the interview in this episode, and the full episode with Payman on changemakerspodcast.org.

ChangeMakers Fatima Payman episode: https://shows.acast.com/change-makers/episodes/fatima-payman-gaza-and-the-labor-party

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