In this episode of the Denison Forum Podcast, host Dr. Mark Turman and cultural theologian Dr. Jim Denison reflect on the passing of Pope Francis and what it means for the future of the Catholic Church. Together, they consider the leadership legacy Pope Francis leaves behind and the lessons all Christians can draw from his example.

Their conversation touches on the theological and cultural influence of his papacy, the shared convictions and key differences between Catholic and Protestant traditions, and the broader call to unity within the body of Christ. With thoughtful insights and personal reflections, Dr. Turman and Dr. Denison guide us through the spiritual and cultural implications of this historic moment—seeking to understand how faith shapes leadership, legacy, and the global church.

• (00:32): Discussing the passing of Pope Francis
• (03:22): Appreciation for Catholic beliefs and practices
• (08:50): Navigating controversial issues in Catholicism
• (13:50): Religious freedom and Catholic contributions
• (19:57): Influential Catholic figures and personal stories
• (23:39): Differences between Catholic and Protestant beliefs
• (33:59): Honoring church tradition and Scripture
• (35:04): The Autonomy of the local church
• (36:52): Scriptural differences: The Apocrypha
• (38:25): Catholic vs. Christian: A common misunderstanding
• (40:08): Vatican II and its impact
• (45:05) Unity in diversity: Embracing differences
• (53:08): Pope Francis: A model of servant leadership
• (57:12): Reflecting on leadership and unity
• (01:03:36): A prayer for unity and guidance

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Jim Denison, PhD, is a cultural theologian and the founder and CEO of Denison Ministries. He speaks biblically into significant cultural issues at Denison Forum. He is the chief author of The Daily Article and has written more than 30 books, including The Coming Tsunami, the Biblical Insight to Tough Questions series, and The Fifth Great Awakening.

Mark Turman, DMin, serves as the Executive Director of Denison Forum, where he leads with a passion for equipping believers to navigate today’s complex culture with biblical truth. He is best known as the host of The Denison Forum Podcast and the lead pastor of the Possum Kingdom Chapel, the in-person congregation of Denison Ministries.

Dr. Turman is the coauthor of Sacred Sexuality: Reclaiming God’s Design and Who Am I? What the Bible Says About Identity and Why it Matters. He earned his undergraduate degree from Howard Payne University in Brownwood, Texas, and received his Master of Divinity from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth. He later completed his Doctor of Ministry at George W. Truett Theological Seminary at Baylor University in Waco.

Before joining Denison Forum, Mark served as a pastor for 35 years, including 25 years as the founding pastor of Crosspoint Church in McKinney, Texas.

Mark and his high school sweetheart, Judi, married in 1986. They are proud parents of two adult children and grandparents to three grandchildren.

Denison Forum exists to thoughtfully engage the issues of the day from a biblical perspective through The Daily Article email newsletter and podcast, The Denison Forum Podcast, as well as many books and additional resources.