Last interview, we sat down with Tamara Cooper to discuss compulsive sexual behavior. The question remained: what happens to the partners after betrayal? So this week, we sit down with Jessica Lamar, CPTT (Certified Partner Trauma Therapist) for an eye-opening conversation on betrayal trauma—the profound impact of infidelity and sex addiction on partners. Jessica brings years of clinical expertise to the table as we unpack the difference between sex addiction and infidelity, explore the trauma responses that often follow discovery, and discuss what healing actually looks like. If you've ever wondered how to support someone reeling from betrayal—or how to recognize unhealthy patterns masked as "normal"—this interview is a must-listen.

About Our Honored Guest: Jessica Lamar Psy.D, LMHC, LPC, CPTT 

Jessica, the Co-Founder and Director of Business Development and Strategy at the Bellevue Trauma Recovery Center (BTRC), holds a Doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology from the Arizona School of Professional Psychology. As a Licensed Mental Health Therapist in Washington and Colorado States, Jessica has dedicated her career to supporting individuals and families through traumatic circumstances and life-changing transitions in forensic, intensive, and outpatient settings.

Jessica’s clinical focus centers around honoring the grief process during significant life-altering changes, particularly Betrayal Trauma. She firmly believes that BTRC’s intensive trauma-informed treatment model offers a much-needed space for meaningful and supportive processing of Trauma.

Alongside her passion for education, Jessica leads webinars and engages in speaking engagements that shed light on the intersection of Disenfranchised Grief and Betrayal Trauma.

As a certified ETT therapist and a certified partner trauma therapist, Jessica utilizes an attachment-based, interpersonal therapy model to facilitate rapid trauma recovery effectively. Additionally, she possesses extensive training and experience in the treatment of problematic sexual behaviors/sex addiction, acknowledging the range of distressing and disruptive experiences that these behaviors can evoke in individuals. She believes this knowledge is essential for effectively supporting and treating individuals through a supportive recovery process from the impact of Betrayal Trauma.

As the Director of Business Development and Strategy at BTRC, Jessica focuses on cultivating community connections, providing psychoeducation to other professionals, developing plans to enhance BTRC’s overall performance, and implementing feedback to ensure the provision of effective and contemporary treatment approaches. Jessica takes pride in guiding BTRC towards evolution and growth within the ever-changing mental health field. She is also one of the primary individual therapists for the BTRC intensive programs. 

During her leisure time, Jessica enjoys reading fiction novels, embarking on outdoor adventures, exploring new restaurants, and nurturing connections with her loved ones.

RESOURCES:

Do you Suffer from Betrayal Trauma? Take the free Assessment: 

https://partnerbetrayaltrauma.org/partner-betrayal-trauma-tests/

Do you struggle with sex addiction? Take the free assessment:

https://new.recoveryzone.com/PublicSurvey/SAST

SLAA is a 12-step program for individuals struggling with sex and love addiction: 

https://slaafws.org

Institutions & Professional Networks

IITAP (International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals)

APSATS (Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists)

The Meadows (Wickenburg, AZ)

Books & Recovery Workbooks

The Betrayal Bond – by Dr. Patrick Carnes

Facing Heartbreak – by Stefanie Carnes, Mari Lee, and Anthony Rodriguez

Your Sexually Addicted Spouse – by Barbara Steffens & Marsha Means

Podcasts & Online Support

Betrayal Trauma Recovery (BTR.org)

Bloom for Women

Supportive Coaching & Group Programs

Apps for Journaling and Grounding

When Dr. Jean-Claude Dominique was struck in a late-night hit-and-run, his Queens community mourned the loss of a respected OB-GYN, devoted father, and loving husband. His wife, Eliette, stood by as he lay in a coma—unaware that the real impact of that night was only just beginning.

What first appeared to be a tragic accident quickly unraveled into a web of forged documents, double lives, and competing claims of marriage. As the investigation deepened, Eliette found herself blindsided by a betrayal no one could’ve predicted—one that would shatter families and ultimately end in violence.

This week on Wildcide, we unravel the hidden life of a man living in plain sight—and the woman who had to reclaim her reality from the wreckage. Then, join us Friday (5/22) for a powerful follow-up interview with Dr. Jessica Lamar, a betrayal trauma expert, who unpacks the psychological fallout when the person you trust most turns out to be a stranger.

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References:

It began with a body. In December 2000, the remains of a missing man surfaced in the Oder River in southwestern Poland. Dariusz Janiszewski—a young entrepreneur who had vanished weeks earlier—was found floating in the river by three fishermen. He was bound by rope in a ‘reverse hog tie’ position with evidence that he’d been starved, tortured and then dumped in the icy river while he was still alive. The brutality of the murder left investigators stunned. But despite the shocking nature of the crime, the case quickly went cold. For three years, there were no suspects, no motive, and no answers—just a trail that led nowhere.

That is, until Detective Jacek Wroblewski felt an unshakable pull to reopen the case—and stumbled onto something bizarre.... a novel. A dark, unsettling piece of crime fiction that described a murder with eerie similarities to the unsolved death of Dariusz Janiszewski. The book’s author? Krystian Bala, a former PhD student with a warped fascination for nihilism and philosophy. Was this fiction mimicking life? Or was it a real-life murder disguised as literature?

The investigation proceeds to unfold like a psychological thriller, filled with disturbing clues, academic arrogance, and an intellectual game of cat and mouse. It was an investigation that brought together psychology, clues from a crime novel, and digital forensics.  

In this episode, we dive into one of the most bizarre and unsettling murders in modern European history—a story that blurs the line between art and evidence, and forces us to ask: what kind of person writes a story that may reveal the truth behind a real-life killing?

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References:

Grann, D. (2008, February 11). True crime: A postmodern murder mystery. The New Yorker.

Sex addiction is often misunderstood, sensationalized, or dismissed altogether—but what’s the truth behind it? In this episode, we sit down with Tamara Cooper, a Certified Sex Addiction Therapist (CSAT), to unpack the often-misunderstood world of sex addiction. Together, we draw a clear line between compulsive sexual behavior and criminal sexual offending—emphasizing the critical roles of consent, legality, and boundaries. Tamara explains how sex addiction is not about desire or impulse alone; it’s a complex intimacy disorder deeply rooted in unresolved trauma, particularly childhood attachment trauma. We discuss how shame, secrecy, and distorted coping mechanisms can entrench the cycle—and why it’s essential to approach this topic with empathy, not judgment. Whether you're new to the conversation or trying to better understand someone you love, this episode challenges assumptions and offers real insight into a topic most people avoid.

About Tamara Cooper:

Tamara Cooper, LCSW, CSAT, CCPS, is the Director of Family Services at Seeking Integrity Los Angeles. With a decade of experience in the addiction recovery field and nearly three years specializing in sex addiction and betrayal trauma, Tamara brings both clinical expertise and deep compassion to her work. As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, and Certified Clinical Partner Specialist, she works closely with men in inpatient treatment while also supporting the healing journeys of their betrayed partners. Tamara is passionate about helping women reclaim their strength and identity after betrayal, and she finds immense purpose in witnessing their growth and transformation. Her work is grounded in empathy, integrity, and a commitment to holistic recovery for individuals and families.

Contact Tamara:

[email protected]

Tamara Cooper, Clinical Social Work/Therapist, Owensboro, KY, 42303 | Psychology Today

Betrayal Trauma Resources:

Dr. Kevin Skinner: https://www.drkevinskinner.com/about

Do you Suffer from Betrayal Trauma? Take the free Assessment: 

https://partnerbetrayaltrauma.org/partner-betrayal-trauma-tests/

Do you struggle with sex addiction? Take the free assessment:

https://new.recoveryzone.com/PublicSurvey/SAST

Treatment Resources:

Sex Addiction & Drug Addiction Treatment | Seeking Integrity

Home | Treatment for Sexual Addiction | Gentle Path at The Meadows

SLAA is a 12-step program for individuals struggling with sex and love addiction: 

https://slaafws.org

Patrick Carnes (“father of sex addiction therapy) website with many books and resources: 

https://www.drpatrickcarnes.com

Stefanie Carnes is a leader in the betrayal trauma arena:

https://stefaniecarnes.com

International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals Find a therapist tool:

https://iitap.com/page/TherapistDirectory

S-Anon is a 12-step program that provides support for family and friends of sex addicts:

https://sanon.org

On July 4, 2009, the world woke up to shocking headlines: beloved NFL quarterback Steve McNair had been found dead in a Nashville condo, alongside 20-year-old Sahel “Jenni” Kazemi. What first looked like a mystery quickly unraveled into a tragic tale of obsession, secrecy, and emotional unraveling.

To fans, McNair was the embodiment of grit—a decorated athlete, a husband, and a father of four. But beneath the surface, his life was divided between the roles he played and the impulses he couldn’t seem to outrun. Lavish gifts, secret properties, and multiple women—all carefully tucked away from his public image—painted a portrait of a man at war with himself.

This week, we break down the events leading up to the murder-suicide that shocked the nation. Then, we’re joined by Certified Sex Addiction Therapist Tamara, who helps us unpack the psychological and relational damage caused by sexual compulsivity. She guides us through the difference between a double life and a disorder, what it means for betrayed partners, and why so many people still misunderstand sex addiction today.

This isn’t just a story about a sports icon. It’s a story about secrets, trauma, and what happens when the mask finally slips.

Resources:

The Athlete Identity Project

Mental Health & Crisis Support:

988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (U.S.):

Crisis Text Line:

NAMI HelpLine (National Alliance on Mental Illness):

Sexual Compulsivity & Sex Addiction Support:

SAA (Sex Addicts Anonymous):

Sexual Health Alliance:

The International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals (IITAP):

For Partners of Betrayal or Trauma Survivors:

APSATS (The Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists):

Bloom for Women:

References:

Associated Press. (2009, July 16). McNair's death ignites discussions of infidelity. ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4334826

BBC News. (2018, April 27). Sex addiction: 'Five times a day wasn't enough'. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-43921760

Howard, K., Sarrio, J., & Echegaray, C. (2009, July 3). Steve McNair death podcast: Titans, Nashville, Sahel Kazemi anniversary. The Tennessean. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2019/07/03/steve-mcnair-death-podcast-titans-nashville-sahel-kazemi-anniversary/1597765001/

Howard, K., Sarrio, J., & Echegaray, C. (2019, July 3). Steve McNair death timeline: The rise and fall of the NFL legend and Sahel Kazemi’s tragic end. The Tennessean. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2019/07/03/steve-mcnair-death-sahel-jenni-kazemi-timeline/1551927001/

McMullan, J. (n.d.). Steve McNair Biography - Showed Early Signs of Greatness, Glory Years at Alcorn State, Signed with Oilers. Biography.jrank.org. Retrieved May 5, 2025, from https://biography.jrank.org/pages/2358/McNair-Steve.html

Nasaw, D. (2009, July 9). Former NFL star Steve McNair was killed by jealous girlfriend, police say. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/jul/09/steve-mcnair-murder-girlfriend

Piccotti, T. (2024, August 20). The complex legacy of NFL quarterback Steve McNair. Biography. https://www.biography.com/athletes/a61916082/steve-mcnair-legacyBiography

Tanner, L. (2017, December 10). Sex cases put spotlight on sex addiction, but is it real? The Clarion-Ledger. https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2017/12/10/sex-cases-put-spotlight-sex-addiction-but-real/938632001/The Clarion-Ledger+1The Clarion-Ledger+1

Today. (2024, August 20). Who killed Steve 'Air' McNair? True story behind 'Untold' episode. https://www.today.com/popculture/steve-air-mcnair-murder-true-story-rcna166895

Walters, J. (2017, September 25). Sex addicts see a familiar story in Anthony Weiner's path to ruin. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/sep/25/sex-addicts-recovery-anthony-weiner

Forensic Misuse of Sex Addiction | Psychology Today

McNair, S. (n.d.). Steve McNair Biography. JRank. Retrieved May 2, 2025, from https://biography.jrank.org/pages/2358/McNair-Steve.html

Merrill, E. (2018, February 11). The family Tennessee Titans legend Steve McNair left behind. ESPN. Retrieved May 2, 2025, from https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/22349868/the-family-tennessee-titans-legend-steve-mcnair-left-behind​:contentReference[oaicite:2]{index=2}

Associated Press. (2009, July 29). Agent: McNair left instructions to care for family. ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4364855

Step right up, folks—today’s Shortcide takes you on a journey through the wonderfully weird (and slightly horrifying) world of historic freak shows! 🎪 We dig into the strange afterlife of Elmer McCurdy, the outlaw who somehow spent more time touring as a mummy than he ever did causing trouble alive. Then, we honor the story of Julia Pastrana, the incredible performer who deserved so much more than the circus life she was given. Expect a mix of history, absurdity, and the occasional “Wait…WHAT?!” moment as we unravel the bizarre ways society used to treat the extraordinary.

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

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​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions

References:

Lovejoy, B. (2014, November 26). Julia Pastrana: A “Monster to the Whole World”. The Public Domain Review. https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/julia-pastrana-a-monster-to-the-whole-world/

Powell, J. M. (2023, September 6). Holy cow! History: The strange afterlife of Elmer McCurdy. NH Journal. https://nhjournal.com/holy-cow-history-the-strange-afterlife-of-elmer-mccurdy/

Stelloh, T. (2013, December 13). Behold! The heartbreaking, hair-raising tale of freak show star Julia Pastrana, Mexico’s monkey woman. BuzzFeed News. https://www.buzzfeed.com/timstelloh/behold-the-heartbreaking-hair-raising-tale-of-julia-pastrana

Thomas, H. (2018, July 24). Elmer McCurdy: Traveling Corpse. Headlines & Heroes. Library of Congress Blogs. https://blogs.loc.gov/headlinesandheroes/2018/07/elmer-mccurdy-traveling-corpse/

Wilson, C. (2013, February 11). Julia Pastrana, who died in 1860, to be buried in Mexico. The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/arts/design/julia-pastrana-who-died-in-1860-to-be-buried-in-mexico.html

In this powerful conversation, Sab sheds light on the hidden dangers of honor-based violence, detailing how it continues to affect countless lives across the world. Through her advocacy, she works to raise awareness, support survivors, and fight for a future where no one has to fear violence in the name of family honor.

Sab's courage to speak out is a reminder that honor killings are not just tragic stories but real, preventable crimes that need urgent attention. This interview is a call to action to stand up against honor-based violence and to ensure the voices of the vulnerable are never silenced again.

About our Special Guest, Sab:

I'm a survivor of child abuse and come from a family of survivors. My mum experienced domestic abuse during many different periods of her life, and I grew up watching her support other women in our community who had been through similar experiences. That shaped so much of who I am and gave me the courage to speak up about my own experiences when friends at school started confiding in me about theirs.

I originally planned to go into law enforcement, but during university, I began volunteering at a Rape Crisis Centre and never looked back. I ended up working there for six years in various roles including Specialist BAMER (Black, Asian, Minority Ethnic and Refugee) Outreach Worker, Helpline Support Worker, Independent Sexual Violence Advocate (ISVA), Prevention Worker, and Trainer. I created prevention programmes for schools and colleges, and worked alongside national organisations like Barnardo’s to raise awareness and support survivors. I also spent a lot of time training professionals from police to healthcare workers on sexual violence and how to respond with compassion and confidence.

Later, I worked with Women’s Aid, supporting women on probation who were also victims of domestic abuse. While I valued my time with these organisations, I often felt that the needs of BAMER survivors were treated as a tick-box, acknowledged, but not deeply understood or embedded into practice.

Today, I’m the Director of Creative Optimistic Visions (COV), a Community Interest Company that uses the Protective Behaviours approach to help individuals and communities feel safer, build resilience, and access support through education, mentoring, and training.

I’m also the founder of Sab Against Abuse a platform dedicated to transforming how professionals understand and respond to abuse within ethnic minority communities. I specialise in training around complex and culturally sensitive issues such as forced marriage, honour-based violence, dowry abuse, female genital mutilation (FGM), and other harmful practices. My goal is to equip professionals with the tools, confidence and cultural awareness to support survivors without judgement, assumptions, or discrimination, because meaningful support starts with understanding.

In 2003, Shafilea Ahmed, a 17-year-old British-Pakistani girl, was killed in a brutal act that shocked the world. Behind the walls of a seemingly ordinary family home, Shafilea's desire for independence clashed with her parents' rigid expectations, leading to a tragic and deadly end.

Raised in a family where cultural traditions were enforced without question, Shafilea's growing desire to live life on her own terms set her on a dangerous path. Her defiance of arranged marriage plans and rejection of traditional roles would come at an unimaginable cost.

When Shafilea went missing, her parents quickly reported it as an unfortunate disappearance, but the truth was far darker than anyone could have imagined. It wasn’t until months later when some workers found Shafilea's dismembered remains when investigators began to piece together the shocking events leading to her death.

The case of Shafilea Ahmed is one of heartbreaking betrayal—a reminder of the devastating consequences of honor-based violence and the silencing of young women in the name of tradition. It serves as a wake-up call to the need for greater awareness and action to prevent honor killings, ensuring that no one, especially young women, should ever feel that their only choice is death for the sake of family “honor.”

**Tune in on Friday April 25th to listen to our interview with Sab, a childhood abuse survivor and advocate against Honor Based Violence.**

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​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

BBC News. (2012, August 3). Shafilea Ahmed: Parents jailed for life for murder. BBC News. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-19119014

BBC News. (2012, May 24). Shafilea sister talks of 'relief'. BBC News. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-18194131

BBC News. (2012, May 22). Stephen Lawrence murder: Timeline of key events. BBC News. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-18161066

BBC News. (2012, May 18). Shafilea Ahmed: Parents guilty of murdering daughter. BBC News. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-18144095

Manchester Evening News. (2023, July 19). 20 years since Shafilea Ahmed's murder: What happened to the case and those involved? Manchester Evening News. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/20-years-shafilea-ahmed-murder-27321857

The Guardian. (2012, August 3). Shafilea Ahmed: A life and death timeline. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/03/shafilea-ahmed-life-death-timeline

The Guardian. (2012, August 3). Shafilea Ahmed: Parents guilty of murder. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/03/shafilea-ahmed-parents-guilty-murder

The Independent. (2018, July 20). Murderer Iftikhar Ahmed abandoned son and Danish first wife to follow through with arranged marriage to Shafilea's mother, Farzana. The Independent. https://www.the-independent.com/news/uk/crime/murderer-iftikhar-ahmed-abandoned-son-and-danish-first-wife-to-follow-through-with-arranged-marriage-to-shafilea-s-mother-farzana-8005441.html

Wales Online. (2023, July 26). ITV1's Murder Without Honour: Full story of Shafilea Ahmed’s tragic death and her parents’ conviction. Wales Online. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/tv/itv1-murder-without-honours-full-30882659

West Yorkshire Police. (n.d.). National Day of Remembrance for Honour-Based Violence: The Shafilea Ahmed story. West Yorkshire Police. https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/advice/relationships/national-day-remembrance-honour-based-violence-shafilea-ahmed-story/national-day-remembrance-honour-based-violence-shafilea-ahmed-story

Warrington Guardian. (2022, February 21). A decade since parents convicted of Shafilea Ahmed murder. Warrington Guardian. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/20595190.decade-since-parents-convicted-shafilea-ahmed-murder/

What happens when love turns deadly? Sharon Graham found herself at the center of a tangled web of emotions, caught between not one, but three men—each unknowingly playing a role in a twisted and dangerous plot. At the heart of this tragic story is Bruce Saunders, a well-liked butcher whose life would be taken by those he trusted most.

As Sharon’s desires and emotions ran wild, her relationship with Greg Roser and Peter Koenig, two men she called lovers, escalated into something far darker than any of them could have predicted. What seemed like a complicated love triangle quickly morphed into a chilling act of betrayal, as Sharon orchestrated a plan that would result in Bruce’s shocking and untimely death.

Bailey and Chelsea unravel the emotional undercurrents of a case where love, jealousy, and manipulation created a deadly storm. Bruce’s tragic fate is not just about a murder—it’s about how far someone will go when revenge and deceit take the place of affection.

Dive into the disturbing details of a crime where the lines between love and betrayal blurred with deadly consequences. The truth behind this twisted love quadrangle is more sinister than anyone could have imagined.

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

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​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

Antrobus, B. (2023, November 11). ‘It’s just got to be done’: Woman’s six words which sparked heinous plot to murder ex in woodchipper. News.com.au. https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/there-will-be-an-accident-murderers-chilling-claim-weeks-before-expartner-fed-to-woodchipper-in-heinous-plot/news-story/39c0baa1a6f8d0947bc36b8c33d749db

Antrobus, B. (2023, October 28). ‘Deep-seated psychopathy’: Judge lashes woodchipper murderer Sharon Graham as evil request to son revealed. News.com.au. https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/sharon-graham-found-guilty-of-heinous-woodchipper-murder-of-expartner-bruce-saunders/news-story/59d3bd18dad38812ac5284dcfb2a8d92​news

Australian Associated Press. (2022, September 19). Man found dead in woodchipper had unwittingly become part of ‘love quadrangle’, Queensland court hears. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/19/man-found-dead-in-woodchipper-bruce-saunders-love-quadrangle-gympie-queensland-court-told​

Brisbane Times. (2022, September 28). 'I hit the stop button … to leave a bit of Bruce out for the police to see'. https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/i-hit-the-stop-button-to-leave-a-bit-of-bruce-out-for-the-police-to-see-20220928-p5blnn.html

Crockford, T. (2022, September 20). Woodchipper murder accused ‘didn’t want to be with him, but he had money’. Brisbane Times. https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/woodchipper-murder-accused-didn-t-want-to-be-with-him-but-he-had-money-20220920-p5bjh6.html

Crockford, T. (2022, September 19). Couple part of ‘love quadrangle’ on trial over alleged woodchipper killing. Brisbane Times. https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/couple-part-of-love-quadrangle-on-trial-over-alleged-woodchipper-killing-20220919-p5bj99.html

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Daily Mail Australia. (2018, May 29). Photos emerge of two people charged with murder of Bruce Saunders who died in woodchipper. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5781343/Photos-emerge-two-people-charged-murder-Bruce-Saunders-died-woodchipper.html

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It's all about Pantera today! In this special episode, we sit down with Michael "Doc" Holt, the cousin of the legendary Abbott Brothers, Darrell "Dimebag" and Vinnie Paul, for an exclusive interview. As one of the few remaining close family members to the Abbott brothers, Doc shares intimate, never-before-heard stories about their childhood, their rise to fame with Pantera, and the deep personal loss he still feels from Dimebag's tragic death.

Doc opens up about the bond he shared with the brothers, their early days in the music scene, and what it was like watching Pantera transform into one of the most influential heavy metal bands of all time. He offers a glimpse into their family dynamics, highlighting the real people behind the legends. Doc reflects on the pain of losing Dimebag in such a brutal way and the lasting impact that tragedy had on their family and the world. Hear firsthand accounts of the brothers' personalities and the highs and lows of their journey.

This interview offers a rare, personal look into the Abbott family’s legacy, from their humble beginnings to the heartbreak that changed their lives forever. If you’ve ever wondered what it was like to grow up with two of rock’s most iconic figures—or if you want to hear more about the real people behind the Pantera story—this is an episode you don’t want to miss.

About Doc:

Doc started playing guitar at 10 with Jerry Bob Abbott’s help. He played and sang rock and country professionally for over 40 years with several well known Texas bands. Doc even opened for Billy Monroe, Earl Scruggs, the Osborn Bros, and several other blue grass groups. His country band won entertainers of the year at the Stephenville opera.  Doc’s band also opened for Big Otis and others including Fog Hat with over 8000 in attendance in College Station.