In 2019, Billy Corgan released his 3rd solo album (2nd under the name William Patrick Corgan), "Cotillions". A double-album written in 2017 during Thirty Days – a month-long journey Corgan took across America. For this album, Frank needed a special guest who has a particular affinity for the album and all things Pumpkins and WPC. Enter the Pumpkin Queen herself, Pam Fisher! Frank and Pam dub this album "Cosmic Country" and navigate the starry country backroads that inspired this special album.

They discuss "complexity couched in simplicity", WPC's family history connection to E.T. and Gremlins, identity & history (and where the two meet), "Big G", pitching a kid's book to WPC based on "Neptulius" and romanticization vs the dark truth of American history and distilling how you feel about the two.

We also show some love for the wonderful Katie Cole, the diverse embarrassment of riches in the Corgan/SP catalog and even a bit of Duran Duran.

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