We discuss the merits of going to the big winery convention here in California. We talk about what we like and what we don't like. We talk about what we hope to find. 

Heather is MIA again but Steve and Mike riff on the time and money it takes to start a winery and why you should not plan that as your retirement job... unless you have a lot of money that you hate.

Steve, Heather and Mike talk about their shared hatred of bottling and why it sucks. Also discussed is safety and how people die in the wine industry... Don't worry, it's not too gruesome.

Heather is still out having fun while Mike and Steve continue to talk wine news. 

Steve and Mike are rolling without the show's moral compass, Heather, but fear not. We are just alking about wine news stories.

Heather, Mike and Steve discuss the merits of a degree in winemaking and all the other ways you can become a winemaker. 

Steve, Mike and Heather discuss topics for new podcasts.

We taste 3 cheap wines from Grocery Outlet. We discuss them in depth and talk about the joy of chasing hidden gold.

Which came first, the ego or the winemaker? We explore the range of egos in the wine business. 

Join us for a discussion on acidity in wine and why YOU should care.