Interrupting can go wrong for autistic and AuDHD adults in two very different ways, and the usual advice to just speak up only helps with one of them. In this episode I go through why a thought can vanish the moment someone cuts in, why jumping into a group conversation might not work for a lot of us, and what I've tried for both.
I describe the two different situations involved with this idea, and then I go through a handful of options I've tried, for one-on-one conversations and for group settings, including one that came out of improv and one that I think is the least ideal but still counts. I also give you a test to run over the week for whether any of this is helping, or whether it's just more masking, which you might not want more of in your life.
WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:
- Why a thought can disappear completely the moment you get interrupted, and when that tends to happen
- Why waiting for the right pause in a group conversation can cost so much afterward
- What to say to a trusted person so you can keep the floor while you work a thought out
- How to get an assist in a group setting when jumping in on your own isn't available to you
- A test for whether your speaking up strategy is helping or just adding more masking
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Two ways interrupting goes wrong for autistic brains
1:33 What this episode covers
3:09 Losing your train of thought mid-sentence
4:43 Why verbal processing makes the thought disappear
7:17 Where monotropic attention might come into it
7:59 The other problem: waiting for a pause that doesn't come
9:05 Why so many of us hold back
10:51 The empathy gap and unwritten rules
11:57 AAC, speech that changes, and timing
12:41 Corrections growing up and as an adult
15:24 Why interrupting isn't equally safe for every person in the room
16:32 Options for one-on-one conversations
18:07 Options for a group: asking for an assist
19:14 Practising the flow, and the masking question
20:29 Where improv came in for me
21:59 Practising letting go, with a strategy
23:29 A test for the week
24:56 Outro
RESOURCES:
The double empathy gap (double empathy problem), more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_empathy_problem
Monotropism: https://monotropism.org
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This podcast was created, written, and is hosted by Jen deHaan. Jen has certifications related to healthy communities (Tufts University Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy), nervous system regulation, and she is a trauma-informed certified coach. She is working towards her board certified coach (BCC) credential, and has a BFA in teaching creative arts to adults. You can find her full bio here.
This podcast was made in British Columbia, Canada by Jen deHaan.
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