Leland Smithson was a logger from Vancouver who came to the SF Zen Center in 1972 while still a teenager and practiced there for a number of years. He's written some books in the fantasy realm - check him out on Amazon etc - and has a few neat pieces on cuke.com as well.  I, DC, talk about what's going on with us here in Bali for a while and then at 21 minutes  get ready to calll Leland into the podcast.