Within Orb

As Jenn and Jen celebrate another trip around the sun this week, enjoy this April Fools’ Day treat from the archives: CAELi's executive director Dr. Jenn Zahrt sits down in the hot seat with producer and guest host Jen Braun! In addition to founding the Celestial Arts Education Library, Jenn is an astrologer, author, publisher, poet, translator, and teacher. In this one-of-a-kind, personal interview, Jenn shares the significant life event that had her questioning her spirituality at a tender young age, and the history and mission of CAELi. Join the double Jennns as they chat about: rescuing multiple book collections; granular research into various editions of the same text; astrology as nouns and verbs; herbs, planets, and astrological medicine; how temperament fosters tolerance; writing daily horoscopes; the concept of beginner’s mind when learning astrology; the pencil-thin astrology book you didn’t know you needed; the importance of humanistic astrology; multiplicity in what many think of as “traditional astrology”; Liz Greene’s hidden gem; and fusing medieval astrology with solar arcs and midpoints. All that, plus: anthropological fantasies, eating jalapeños for anger, and… jam with us if you owned a Walkman, too!

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded Feb. 2024):

00:01 – Jenn introduces the show! Happy birthday to us!!

01:18 – Dr. Jenn Zahrt, PhD is an author, publisher, and teacher of cultural astronomy and astrology. In 2022, she wrapped up a five-year jaunt as an Honorary Research Fellow at the Sophia Centre for the Study of Cosmology in Culture at the University of Wales Trinity Saint David. She is an Emerita Trustee of Kepler College and has joined their faculty! She also serves as President for the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR). Her publishing company, Revelore Press, has multiple books forthcoming, so stay tuned! Jenn founded the Celestial Arts Education Library in 2021, and curates over 10,000 volumes of astrological books, journals, and newsletters. Learn more about CAELi at: www.caeli.institute.

02:02 – Learn about the winding pathway that led Jenn to found CAELi, the rare volumes housed at the library, and why becoming a CAELi member is a win-win! (And the book that jumped off the shelf at Jenn back in the day was Der Geist der Astrologie or The Spirit of Astrology by Oscar A. H. Schmitz, which helped to get her book gears turning!)

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15:01 – Jenn’s first astrology book was Alan Oken’s Complete Astrology: The Classic Guide to Modern Astrology. After being grounded as a teen, she headed to the bookstore to buy this title, along with an ephemeris (a now well-worn copy of The American Ephemeris for the 20th Century at Midnight by Neil F. Michelsen to be precise), an atlas for the Americas, an atlas for the rest of the world, and The Koch Book of Tables also by Neil F. Michelsen. Astrology and Alan were answering big questions in a satisfying way! (And thanks to high school teacher Gary Lorentzen for pointing Jenn in this direction; check out Episode 20, Gary Lorentzen: Astro-History, Language, & Measuring Time.) Early on, and before she found classical texts, she dove into Jeff Wolf Green’s Pluto books and anything else she could find second-hand.

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20:06 – If Jenn were wandering lost in the Badlands, which books would she bring? If she trips, falls, needs a poultice, or breaks a leg, she’ll need Jane Ridder-Patrick’s A Handbook of Medical Astrology, 2nd Ed. Also, this one addresses a deeper level of consciousness beyond just the physical.

25:06 – Jenn’s second text would be A Handbook for the Humanistic Astrologer by Michael R. Meyer, with a preface by Dane Rudhyar. Jenn would love to go back and study this book more, and it’s a fantastic resource for looking at all elements of astrological practice. For folks who write daily horoscopes, you need this one in your collection!

30:12 – Jenn’s third title may be tiny, but it packs a serious punch: The Rules of Chart Interpretation by Rod Suskin. Rod wrote this thin little book for his students; it’s the most distilled, succinct application of traditional astrology anywhere! (And hey, for someone sitting in a room of 10,000 astrology books, that’s saying something!) Listen to Rod on Episode 26, Rod Suskin: On the Textual Nexus of Commanding Space & Time.

33:15 – For beginners who have some fluency in astrology, Jenn first recommends Astrologies: Plurality and Diversity in the History of Astrology edited by Nick Campion and Liz Greene. Why? Because by the end, what you think you know astrology is, is not! Next, pick up Sky and Symbol, also edited by Nick Campion and Liz Greene – you don’t want to miss Liz Greene’s article included in this anthology, which will help you understand how astrology entered Jung’s world. It’s also one of the best chapters Liz has ever written! (And it’s a cool bonus that Jenn also has an article in this book!) Finally, Jenn encourages reading Fertility Astrology: A Modern Medieval Textbook by Nicola Smuts-Allsop, because it’s a great tactical intro to medieval astrology in a modern context.

42:26 – Find Jenn at her digital lily pad: https://jennzahrt.com/.

43:39 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.

We’re dipping into the archives this week: Astrologer and herbalist Maeg Keane joins host Jenn Zahrt from Salem, MA in a conversation centered around plant and planet devotion work and how to bring the stars closer! Maeg offers a wonderful list of books (including one that is yet to be born) and sinks into the power of words through hymn. Plus: emulating the ancients, star omens, and drinking rose tea to cozy up to Venus!

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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded August 2023):

00:01 – Jenn Zahrt offers a brief intro. (And thanks for supporting the show!)

00:54 – Maeg kicks us off with a big, “Thank you, Aurora!” The first astrology book they ever read was Lesbian Love Signs: An Astrological Guide to Women Loving Women by Aurora. The introduction of synastry and how to better understand our partners through astrology was a big plus for Maeg.

07:34 – The first book that Maeg would save from their burning house would be Babylonian Star-lore: An Illustrated Guide to the Star-lore and Constellations of Ancient Babylonia by Gavin White. Maeg reaches for this book every time they sit down to write!

15:17 – Next, Maeg mentions Astronomicon by Marcus Manilius, because they love his inclusion for the guardians of the signs. (Maeg gets extra points here for calling Manilius a beloved weirdo – LOL!)

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23:17 – An embryo book! Maeg’s third selection is a book that is yet to be published: Kristin Mathis’s spirit-led work on the Orphic Hymns. (Visit Kristin’s Substack page.) Maeg loves this one, which is like a prayer book; tune in to hear Maeg read the hymn to the Moon. (And we can all look forward to Revelore Press publishing this one!)

37:33 – Which books for beginners would Maeg recommend? Chani Nicholas gets the nod, with her wonderful primer You Were Born for This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance. It’s one to whet the appetite without getting bogged down in astro-jargon.

39:46 – Find Maeg at https://www.third-sister.com/. They are also on Instagram (link on their site). 

40:35 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

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We’re pulling another treat from our rich archives this week: Astrologer and tarot worker Mo Olufemi joins host Jenn Zahrt from Toronto, Ontario in Canada! Join the duo in a wide-ranging discussion of astrology and how Mo blends the Hellenistic, Medieval Islamicate, and Jyotish traditions! The two cover tons, including: electional astrology and placing the Moon; conditions of the houses; horary astrology; triplicity work; the dawr; and the Arudha Lagna in Vedic. All that, plus: reviewing predictions, time twins, and ignoring the outer planets!

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded January 2025):

00:01 – Jenn Zahrt offers a brief intro!

00:47 – Mo is an astrologer and occultist who blends symbolism from Hellenistic, Medieval Islamicate, and Jyotish to assess how planetary influences characterize periods of time for individuals and societies. She also weaves in astrological symbols into her tarot work to provide deeper divinatory insights.

01:05 – Mo can’t remember the title of her very first astrology book, but she remembers getting it at a Scholastic Book Fair! It was a pink booklet on friendships for compatible Sun signs. The first serious book Mo read was The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need by Joanna Martine Woolfolk.

06:42 – If Mo could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be The Astrology of Sahl b. Bishr: Volume I: Principles, Elections, Questions, Nativities by Sahl ibn Bishr and translated by Benjamin Dykes.

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28:17 – Mo’s second choice would be The Book of Religions and Dynasties by Abu Ma’shar (edited by K. Yamamoto and C. Burnett).

36:32 – The third title Mo would bring is the Jyotish tome Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra (aka the BPHS)!

41:16 – For beginners, Mo recommends listening to astrologers talk, because the oral tradition is so important!

50:48 – The best place to find Mo is via her handle @australtaur on Instagram, Bluesky, and Substack!

51:29 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

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We all start somewhere! Enjoy this throwback to our inaugural show, featuring astrologer Thea Anderson! Tune in as Jenn and Thea discuss books galore, including Thea’s three (or four) books she'd take with her on a desert island, including one she'd bring to get OFF said island. Plus: remediation, zodiacal releasing, horary astrology, and making the mundane magical!

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded Jan. 2023):

00:01 – What are you beginning? Jenn Zahrt introduces this reboot, as we toss it back to our very first episode! (And we’re leaving the show notes mostly intact, too, so you can compare.)

01:54 – Welcome to Within Orb, everyone – our first guest is astrologer Thea Anderson! Yay!

02:09 – The first astrology book Thea ever read (or was it osmosis??): The Only Way to Learn Astrology, Vol. 1.

03:12 – What was the second book that Thea ever read? “The blue book,” AKA On the Heavenly Spheres.

03:59 – Thea’s desert island books include: Firmicus Maternus’s Mathesis, Valens’s Anthology, Attrell and Porrecca’s Picatrix: A Medieval Treatise on Astral Magic, and Agrippa’s Three Books of Occult Philosophy.

25:58 – Thea’s picks for astrology beginners are: Astrology and the Authentic Self by Demetra George and 36 Secrets by T. Susan Chang.

37:19 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a kind review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted! Thanks!

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Since we love books around here, it’s the perfect week for this gem from the archives, as astrologer and author Linda "Moonrabbit" Zlotnick joins host Jenn Zahrt from St. Paul, Minnesota to chat all things books – including her soon-to-be-released book on death charts and moving through loss! Don’t miss this mini-lesson on Moon’s groundbreaking research into death charts, as the two cover that and more, including: accessing the elements with integrated thinking; Uranus transits and freedom; Saturn, limitations, and internalizing authority; past lives and evolutionary perspectives; how the past isn’t disengaged from the present; eclipses, growth, and change; the 8th house; progressions as reinforcement; and working with folks who have experienced loss. Plus: 1970s library treasures, building blocks, and keeping it simple!

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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded June 2024):

00:01 – Producer Jen Braun wants you to know it was an honor to edit Moon’s upcoming book on death charts this past summer! Also… happy birthday, Moon!!

03:02 – Linda “Moonrabbit” Zlotnick has been a Twin Cities professional astrologer for nearly 50 years, with a focus on astrology as a source of illumination and healing. Moon began studying astrology in 1973; after formal training with Zipporah Dobyns in 1977, she began her full-time practice. Her experience with grief as a motherless daughter and twinless twin called her to write the book Star Sisters: An Astrologer's Memoir of Twin Loss. In 2015 she began her pioneering study of astrological death charts, which she uses now in her work with clients as a healing tool for the loss of a loved one. Stay tuned for the release of her next book, which has the working title Death Charts: An Astrological Tool for the Bereaved.

03:27 – The first astrology book that Moon ever read was A To Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator by Llewellyn George; it was the only book under “astrology” in the public library in 1975! Another early favorite was Astrology, Psychology and the Four Elements: An Energy Approach to Astrology and Its Use in the Counseling Arts by Stephen Arroyo. Moon loved the psychological orientation of this one and the wealth of info about the elements.

05:14 – If Moon could bring only three books to a deserted island, what would she bring? The first one would be the current manuscript she’s finishing, tentatively titled Death Charts: Using Astrology to Heal Grief. Moon’s innovative work on death charts came about through the profound experience of losing her twin in 2005. Moon finds that working with clients using a loved one’s “last breath chart” helps foster greater understanding and perspective for them in revealing a path forward.

10:47 – Moon’s second choice is Saturn: A New Look at an Old Devil by Liz Greene. Moon finds that Greene can connect archetypal themes to planets in a helpful way, and this text would be a good intellectual support system (after breaking her kneecap this past winter)!

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14:28 – The third title that Moon would bring is Steven Forrest’s Yesterday’s Sky: Astrology and Reincarnation, because she likes the teachings on nodal patterns in the birth chart. (Enjoy the quick side trip to Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul by Jeffrey Wolfe Green!)

18:14 – Moon shares more on her work with death charts, including bringing in eclipses, and how they impact the griever’s birth chart. Example included!

25:07 – For beginners, Moon recommends the series The Only Way to Learn Astrology by Joan McEvers and Marion March, Astrology for Yourself: How to Understand and Interpret Your Own Birth Chart by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch, and The Inner Sky by Steven Forrest.

27:04 – Find Moon at her website: https://astrologybymoonrabbit.com/.

27:16 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

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Astrologer and artist Edwin Martinez joins host Jenn Zahrt from Orlando, Florida! Tune in for a wide-ranging chat, from books to makeup and more, including: hymns and prayers; the art of translating and transmitting nuance in texts; and cosmetic glamour as Venusian armor! Plus: plant identification, guardian angels, and drag!

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded June 2025):

00:12 – Edwin Martinez is an espiritista and artist that is currently forging a path with the use of natural magic, folkloric practices, and medical islamicate and renaissance astrology technique to redefine the use of the cosmos in our sphere and divining.

01:46 – Edwin’s very first connection to astrology was not a book, but a TV show called 12 Corazones (12 Hearts). Edwin also mentions the book El Mundo Secreto de Walter Mercado (The Secret World of Walter Mercado) by Puerto Rican astrologer Walter Mercado.

05:19 – If Edwin could bring only three books to a deserted island, their first pick would be Collection of Selected Prayers by Allan Kardec.

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18:31 – Edwin’s second choice would be Three Books on Life by Marsilio Ficino.

18:41 – The third title Edwin would bring is Viridarium Umbris: The Pleasure Garden of Shadow by Daniel Schulke.

29:53 – For beginners, Edwin recommends On the Heavenly Spheres by Helena Avelar and Luis Campos Ribeiro, Ancient Astrology in Theory & Practice: A Manual of Traditional Techniques by Demetra George, and the work of Dorotheus of Sidon.

31:36 – Find Edwin at their website: https://www.claimedparadise.com/. And on social, Edwin’s handle is @claimedparadise.

31:43 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Astrologer and author Nicola Smuts Allsop joins host Jenn Zahrt from Bath, England! Join them in a fascinating chat regarding Nicola’s seminal work on fertility astrology (pun intended!), books, and more, including: fitting astrology into a scientific paradigm; medieval techniques; and the stars as divination. Plus: when false insights heal, the placebo effect, and… the meaningful space where anything can happen!

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded July 2025):

00:12 – Nicola Smuts Allsop is a consulting astrologer living in the United Kingdom. Originally from South Africa, she completed her first studies at the Rod Suskin School of Astrology in Cape Town and completed a Diploma in Medieval Astrology with Astro Logos (Bernadette Brady) in the UK. Nicola graduated from Canterbury Christ Church University with a master’s degree in Myth, Cosmology and the Sacred. Author of Fertility Astrology: A Modern Medieval Textbook, Nicola has specialized in this field and has undergone fertility treatment herself. She is a mother of two adult children and can empathize and understand the pain and the desperation of trying to conceive. Nicola lectures internationally on her fertility work and her research and methods in this field are pioneering and unique. Her success in diagnosing fertility issues in charts and finding potentially fertile times to try in vitro fertilization (IVF) and other reproductive treatments has been published in The Sunday Times (London), The London Times, and the Daily Mail. Her work has also been featured on national television (Free Spirit, Top Billing) in South Africa.

00:35 – Nicola’s very first astrology book was The Moment of Astrology: Origins in Divination by Geoffrey Cornelius.

14:47 – If Nicola could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be Guido Bonatti’s Book of Astronomy, translated by Benjamin Dykes. (Nicola also mentions the work of Sydney Omarr.)

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20:36 – Nicola’s second choice would be Hermes Trismegistus’s Liber Hermetis, translated by Robert Zoller and edited by Robert Hand.

21:58 – The third title Nicola would bring is a toss-up between Cornelius’s The Moment of Astrology and Astrology in the Year Zero by Garry Phillipson.

30:02 – For beginners, Nicola recommends Keywords for Astrology by Anna Haebler and Hajo Banzhaf.

31:23 – Find Nicola at her website: https://fertilityastrology.com/. And check out her YouTube channel: @fertilityastrology203.

31:43 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

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Astrologer Joe G joins host Jenn Zahrt for a peppy chat about astrology, books, art, and more! Join these two neighbors as they discuss: writing public horoscopes using images; an un-Lilly horary pick; and the last aspect of the Moon! Plus: animism, fantasteroids, and… can the stars tell us what sandwich to eat?

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded July 2025):

00:12 – Joe G is a certified Hellenistic and electional astrologer, with a background spanning art, music, and strategic planning. Since 2019, he’s specialized in results-driven, project-based astrology – using traditional electional techniques to identify the most promising moments for major endeavors. In 2025, Joe was elected Director of Marketing for ISAR. His experience also includes producing and managing projects for leading astrology brands like Astrology Hub, Christopher Renstrom’s Ruling Planets, and Mychal Bryan’s Oraculos School of Astrology. Joe’s approach is grounded in precision and practicality, offering clear, actionable strategies over personality readings or metaphysical speculation. His work has been featured in The CAELi Review, and he’s presented at CazimiCon 2022 and taught at Astrology Hub’s Inner Circle and Gemini Brett’s School of Earthstrology.

00:45 – Joe’s very first astrology book was The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need by Joanna Martine Woolfolk.

02:25 – If Joe could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Astrology of the World II: Revolutions & History, translated and edited by Benjamin Dykes.

04:19 – Joe’s second choice would be Astrolabium Planum by Johannes Angelus.

06:43 – The third title Joe would bring is The Forty Chapters of al-Kindi, translated and edited by Benjamin Dykes.

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19:23 – Make your own fantasteroid! Learn more about them here: http://fantasteroids.com/.

23:13 – For beginners, Joe recommends al-Kindi’s previously mentioned The Forty Chapters.

24:33 – Find Joe at his website: https://www.themercuryrising.com/.

25:16 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Astrologer and author Doctor H joins host Jenn Zahrt this week! Tune in for an immersive episode covering books, chart rectification and more, including: Babylonian cuneiform tablets; studying systems of time; and solar returns and primary directions. Plus: Medieval predictive astrology, price and time as mathematical constants, and the importance of reading widely!

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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded June 2025):

00:12 – Doctor H completed Robert Zoller’s Diploma in Medieval Predictive Astrology in March 2025 and maintains a full-time practice with a handful of clients. Surplus time is dedicated to research on the efficacy of recently recovered traditional astrological techniques.

04:58 – Doctor H doesn’t recall his very first astrology book, but Robert Zoller’s Diploma Course in Medieval Astrology had a huge impact!

10:02 – If Doctor H could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Babylonian Mathematical Astronomy: Procedure Texts by Mathieu Ossendrijver.

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20:56 – Doctor H’s second choice would be The Oxford Companion to the Year: An Exploration of Calendar Customs and Time-Reckoning by Bonnie Blackburn and Leofranc Holford-Strevens.

24:51 – The third title Doctor H would bring is Abu Ma’shar’s Persian Nativities IV: On the Revolutions of the Years of Nativities, translated and edited by Benjamin Dykes.

44:21 – For beginners, Doctor H recommends Introductions to Traditional Astrology: Abu Ma’shar & al-Qabisi which is translated and edited by Benjamin Dykes, The Four Temperaments: A Rediscovery of the Ancient Way of Understanding Health and Character by Randy Rolfe, and Fowler’s Practical Phrenology by Orson Squire Fowler.

49:13 – Find Doctor H at his website: https://www.regulus-astrology.com/.

50:06 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

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Astrologer and asteroid expert Amy Angelo joins host Jenn Zahrt from Manhattan, NY for the centenary episode of Within Orb! Join Amy and Jenn as they talk about asteroids, astrology (and non-astrology!) books and more, including: eclipses as portals of transformative moments; a deep dive into the epic of Gilgamesh; and the power of the daimon. Plus: the idea that studying Hellenistic astrology teaches you how to think, a sacred journey while learning from Demetra George, and wormhole portal math!

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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.

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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded June 2025):

00:01 – Happy 100th episode to all our listeners – we wouldn’t have a show without you!! Jenn introduces the awesome new CAELi Labs: Three Deep Lab and the Hypermodern Aspects Lab!

02:12 – Amy Angelo is a professional astrologer and graduate student at Teachers College at Columbia University studying Spiritual Psychology. She is on the faculty of Kepler College teaching an introduction to Natal Hellenistic Astrology. She leads the NCGR Special Interest Research Group on asteroids and explores the myth, magic, and mystery of asteroid placements in nativities.

02:41 – Amy’s first astrology books were two from Demetra George: Mysteries of the Dark Moon: The Healing Power of the Dark Goddess and Ancient Astrology in Theory & Practice: A Manual of Traditional Techniques.

08:00 – If Amy could bring only three books to Tahiti, her first pick would be Figuring by Maria Popova.

14:05 – Amy’s second choice would be Gilgamesh: A New Translation of the Ancient Epic, translated by Sophus Helle.

18:53 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug!

24:24 – The third title Amy would bring is Holy Daimon by Frater Acher. (Amy and Jenn also discuss The Red Book by Carl Jung.)

32:43 – For beginners, Amy recommends Ancient Astrology in Theory & Practice: A Manual of Traditional Techniques by Demetra George.

32:56 – Find Amy at her website: https://www.amy-angelo.com/. On Insta and TikTok, her handle is @amyangeloastro.

33:47 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.