Francis J. Gavin joins Janice Stein to discuss his new book, Thinking Historically: A Guide to Statecraft and Strategy, why we need to know history to understand the uncertain geopolitical order today, whether Trump and his advisors understand history, why it’s necessary to understand countries such as China, Russia, and Iran, and which President of the United States knew the most history. They then discuss how history is misused, how to use the often contested lessons from history, the lessons from the Vietnam and Iraq wars, why we need to complicate our story of the Cold War, and why history makes the "unfamiliar familiar and the familiar unfamiliar.

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