The infamous “Mat does D&D backstories” chapter.

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(00:00:00) Rivers of Shadow & A Conversation with the Dragon - The Gathering Storm chapters 32 & 33 - EP530

(00:07:52) chapter 32

(00:51:46) chapter 33

Nyneave’s Detective Agency moves the plot forward, with time for a sidequest.

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Cadsuane and Rand carefully avoid each other, Sanderson makes it clear the timelines have fully decoupled, and Nyneave is engaged in fashion fusion.

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We pick up with Rand entering into the first steps of the road to Natrin’s Barrow, and with Gawyn being a nepo-warder two books behind everyone else.

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One of the most iconic Sanderson Scenes!!! 

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We continue our exploration of the difference between being right and wrong, when a punishment is just or unjust, and how many ways we can hate on Gawyn Trakand. Bryne is too patient with his former student, Sheriam is the most normal kind of evil, the Pattern uses Min to kick Avi into gear, and a truly creepy Bubble of Evil foreshadows worse things to come.

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Aradia does a too-good Semirhage impression, Seth thinks he knows why Rand is getting the spins, and we have some good debates about what the Dark One thinks he’s getting out of this whole escapade.


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It’s time for our least favorite Mat rant. Also Perrin tries to be decisive,  Talmanes is the real MVP of the Band, Rand’s nihilism affects the land even more than his madness, and Brandon Sanderson gives us a healthier grieving ritual than Robert Jordan would ever have considered writing out so plainly.

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The dreaded Floor Beans happen. Perrin has paperwork and sensory sensitivities. Suian and Sharina talk strategy. Beslan is a collaborator. Aradia is in a different location. Seth mansplains mansplaining.

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Min is working on her thesis, giving us plenty of #NotALamp fodder to work with. We rehash all the reasons why Herid Fel was even killed, speculate on Laras’ backstory again, and find a Darkfriend we had missed.


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