英文播客

This is another deeply important episode of our EAT Masters series. In today's episode, we are joined by a pioneering leader in expressive arts therapy, Dr. Vivien Marcow Speiser, Professor Emerita at Lesley University in the United States, with five decades of international clinical practice, scholarship, and teaching experience. She joins us to explore a universal struggle we all carry:

Why is it so hard to truly change?

Vivien shares how the moments when life no longer makes sense may actually be the beginning of growth. She speaks about the cliffs we encounter in life, not as failures, but as deeply human turning points. In this conversation, she also guides us through a simple body and movement exploration, helping us sense how relationship, safety, conflict, and grounding already live inside the body, and how we might slowly learn to find our center and stand our ground.

Join us as we follow the thread of art to bind chaos into meaning.

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In today's episode, I'm truly honored to be joined by a deeply respected leader in the field of expressive arts therapy, Dr. Vivien Marcow Speiser.

Vivien is Professor Emerita and co-director of the Institute for Arts and Health at Lesley University, and a distinguished research associate at the University of the Witwatersrand in South Africa. She is a licensed mental health counselor, a dance movement therapist, and an expressive arts therapist and educator. Across a lifetime of practice, teaching, and international collaboration, her work has taken her across the United States, Israel, and many parts of the world, developing and leading arts-based programs and working with individuals and communities navigating trauma, crisis, and cross-cultural conflict.

Her contributions extend not only through practice and teaching, but also through scholarship. She has served on the executive committee of ICAET, the International Association of Creative Arts in Education and Therapy, and is a co-editor of the CAET journal, contributing to the ongoing development of the field. She had received multiple Fulbright Senior Scholar Awards, and her work has been recognized internationally, including lifetime achievement honors in expressive arts and arts and health. Beyond her roles and recognitions, what feels especially meaningful in her work is a deep and ongoing commitment to using the arts as a way of communicating across borders, and of creating the conditions for both personal and social transformation.

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「Expressive Arts Therapy — Conversations with Masters」

As a graduate of the first cohort of the China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program, I feel deeply honored to invite six leading figures in the field—senior practitioners, professors, and educators actively engaged in both clinical work and teaching—to join this series and share their insights.

They all graduated from Lesley University and bring decades of experience. They are not only experts, but also pioneers—people who have witnessed and shaped the field from its early beginnings to where it is today.

To make listening easier, this series will be released in two versions: a Chinese voiceover version and the original English audio. You can choose whichever feels right for you.

🔗China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

本期是【EAT大师解答系列】的第5期。本期邀请到表达性艺术治疗领域极具开创性的领军人物——美国 Lesley University 莱斯利大学荣休教授 Vivien Marcow Speiser 博士。她拥有超过五十年的国际临床实践、学术研究与教学经验。

这一次，她将和我们一起走进一个几乎每个人都会面对的生命提问：

【为什么真正的改变总是如此困难？为什么我们总会一次次回到同样的模式里？】

那些生命开始“不再有意义”的时刻，或许恰恰是成长真正开始的地方。Vivien谈到人生中那些仿佛“悬崖”般的时刻——它们并不只是失败，而是作为人的生命中，一个极其深刻的转折点。在这场对话中，她也会带领我们进行一段简单的身体与动作探索，让我们慢慢感受到：关系、安全感、冲突，以及那些关于连接与距离的经验，其实一直都活在我们的身体里；而在关系与变化之中，我们如何一点一点地重新找到自己的中心。

加入我们，一起顺着艺术的线索，将那些混乱与失序，慢慢编织出属于自己的意义。

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今天这一期，我非常荣幸邀请到表达性艺术治疗领域一位备受尊敬的重要人物——Vivien Marcow Speiser 博士。Vivien 是美国 Lesley University 艺术与健康研究所的荣休教授与联合主任，同时也是南非金山大学（University of the Witwatersrand）的杰出研究员。她是一位持证心理咨询师、舞动治疗师，以及表达性艺术治疗师与教育者。

在超过半个世纪的实践、教学与国际合作生涯中，她的工作足迹遍及美国、以色列以及世界许多地区，长期致力于发展与带领艺术疗愈项目，并陪伴个人与社群穿越创伤、危机，以及跨文化冲突中的生命经验。

她的贡献不仅存在于临床与教学中，也深深延伸到了学术领域。她曾担任国际创造性艺术教育与治疗协会（IACAET）执行委员会成员，同时也是CAET的联合编辑之一，持续推动着整个表达性艺术治疗领域的发展。

她曾多次获得富布赖特高级学者奖，她的工作也在国际上获得广泛认可，包括表达性艺术以及艺术与健康领域的终身成就荣誉。但比起这些身份与荣誉，让人深深感触的是她始终持续地相信并践行着：让艺术成为不同人、不同文化之间彼此理解与连接的语言，并借由艺术，创造出能够促成个人与社会转化的空间与可能。

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本期节目是我们的《艺术救心丸》将推出一个为期两个月的“表达性艺术EAT大师解答”系列，我十分荣幸邀请到6位全球表达性艺术领域的顶尖且资深的大师级、且在一线临床实践、教学的专家、教授为我们直接进行答疑解惑，TA们都毕业于表达性艺术治疗的学科原初发源地——美国莱斯利大学，都拥有几十年实践和教学经验，是这个学科从无到有、到稳步发展的前辈、亲历者。

为了方便大家的收听，我们的这个系列节目将分为中文模拟VO和英文原音两个版本同时发布，你可以根据自己的喜好进行收听版本的选择。

🔗【中美表达性艺术治疗系统培训项目介绍】

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

英文播客

This is another essential episode of our “EAT Masters Series.” In today’s episode, we are joined by expressive arts therapy expert Kit Jenkins. Drawing on over thirty years of experience — spanning her long-standing faculty role at Lesley University and her transformative leadership as co-founder of the respected nonprofit RAW Artworks for young people — Kit joins us to explore a question that touches us all:

“I feel not good enough even when I'm praised. How can I truly start to validate myself from within?”

 When external praise fails to reach us, it’s often because a voice Kit calls “The Critic” has occupied our minds. We try to banish or erase it, but Kit reminds us that relationships don’t just exist between people—they live and breathe within our bodies.

In this episode, Kit will guide you through a profound imaginative journey to meet your inner critic face-to-face. But this journey requires more than just imagination; it requires the most important tool in a therapist’s toolbox: Presence. By shifting your internal ground and establishing a dialogue with this voice rather than being defined by it, allowing you to rediscover your own inner strength and peace.

Join us as we use creativity to move beyond verbal self-judgment and find the courage to stand in our own presence. 

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In today’s episode, I’m truly honored to be joined by a senior expert in the field of Expressive Arts Therapy Kit Jenkins. Kit has been teaching as adjunct faculty at Lesley University for over 30 years, contributing to multiple graduate programs, including the expressive arts therapy master’s program. She has also taught at the European Graduate School in Switzerland and at Tufts University.

She is the founding Executive Director of RAW, a highly respected nonprofit organization, where she led its growth for over three decades and raised over $35 million in support of its mission.

Kit’s work spans expressive arts therapy, community arts, and social impact — from co-founding a community arts studio for children and adolescents, to supporting marginalized communities through nonprofit work. She was also among the early contributors to the International Expressive Arts Therapy Association, helping to shape the field in its early years.

Beyond her professional work, Kit is also a mother of twins, both now pursuing creative and nonprofit paths, and she lives a life deeply connected to movement and nature — spending much of her time in or on the water, swimming and rowing. This sense of rhythm, patience, and lived creativity continues to inform her work in a very human way.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

「Expressive Arts Therapy — Conversations with Masters」

As a graduate of the first cohort of the China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program, I feel deeply honored to invite six leading figures in the field—senior practitioners, professors, and educators actively engaged in both clinical work and teaching—to join this series and share their insights.

They all graduated from Lesley University and bring decades of experience. They are not only experts, but also pioneers—people who have witnessed and shaped the field from its early beginnings to where it is today.

To make listening easier, this series will be released in two versions: a Chinese voiceover version and the original English audio. You can choose whichever feels right for you.

🔗China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

本期是【EAT大师解答系列】的第4期。本期邀请到表达性艺术治疗领域的专家 Kit Jenkins。她拥有三十多年的丰富经验——既包括在莱斯利大学长期担任教师的教学工作，也是备受尊敬的非营利组织 RAW Artworks 的联合创始人。今天，Kit 将和我们一起探讨一个几乎每个人都会遇到的问题：

【为什么被夸奖时总觉得自己不够好，该如何真正从内在开始认可自己？】

当外界的赞美无法真正被我们接住时，往往是因为有一个 Kit 称之为“内在批评者（The Critic）”的声音，占据了我们的内在空间。我们常常试图去消除它、压制它，但 Kit 提醒我们：关系并不只存在于人与人之间，它也活在我们的身体之中，与我们一起呼吸。在这一期节目中，Kit 会带领大家展开一段深刻的想象之旅，去真正“面对面”地遇见这个内在的批评者。但这段旅程不仅仅依赖想象，它更需要一种最重要的能力——也是治疗师最核心的工具之一：临在（Presence）回到当下/此刻。

当我们开始改变自己的“内在的位置”，不再被这个声音定义，而是与它建立一种对话关系时，我们也会逐渐重新连接到属于自己的内在力量与内在的平静。

加入我们，一起用创造力走出那些语言里的自我评判，与当下此刻的自己在一起。

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今天的节目，我非常荣幸能邀请到来自表达性艺术治疗领域的资深专家 Kit Jenkins。Kit 在Lesley University 担任兼职教师已超过三十年，参与多个研究生项目的教学工作，其中包括表达性艺术治疗硕士项目。她也曾在European Graduate School（瑞士欧洲研究生院）以及Tufts University任教。她是非营利组织RAW的创始执行总监，在超过三十年的发展中，带领机构持续成长，并成功筹集了超过3500万美元的资金，用于支持其使命的推进。

Kit 的工作横跨表达性艺术治疗、社区艺术与社会影响领域——从共同创办面向儿童与青少年的社区艺术空间，到通过非营利工作支持边缘群体。她也是IEATA的早期贡献者之一，参与了这一领域在初期的发展与建设。

在专业工作之外，Kit 也是一位母亲，她的双胞胎孩子如今也分别走在与艺术和公益相关的道路上。她的生活与身体、自然有着深刻的连接——一周大部分时间都在水中或水上，游泳或与伙伴一起划船。这种节奏感、耐心与“活着的创造力”，也持续地以一种非常人性的方式滋养着她的工作。

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本期节目是我们的《艺术救心丸》将推出一个为期两个月的“表达性艺术EAT大师解答”系列，我十分荣幸邀请到6位全球表达性艺术领域的顶尖且资深的大师级、且在一线临床实践、教学的专家、教授为我们直接进行答疑解惑，TA们都毕业于表达性艺术治疗的学科原初发源地——美国莱斯利大学，都拥有几十年实践和教学经验，是这个学科从无到有、到稳步发展的前辈、亲历者。

为了方便大家的收听，我们的这个系列节目将分为中文模拟VO和英文原音两个版本同时发布，你可以根据自己的喜好进行收听版本的选择。

🔗【中美表达性艺术治疗系统培训项目介绍】

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

本期节目是我们【EAT大师解答系列】第3期，本期节目我们邀请到表达性艺术治疗专家 Yousef AlAjarma 博士。他带着三十多年的临床经验——从大学课堂，到冲突地区的创伤修复现场——今天，他将带我们探索一个跨越文化、引起无数人共鸣的挣扎：

【当父母总说“都是为你好”时，我该如何从这种情感束缚中挣脱出来？】

当内疚变成一条看不见的隐形枷锁，我们很容易被困在羞耻之中。但 Yousef 提醒我们：关系，不只是发生在言语之中，它也被一点点存储在我们的感官和身体里。在本期节目中，他邀请你去化身为“一条在游动在深海里的鱼”，通过这个温柔而深邃的隐喻，他将引导你突破言语的拉扯，去发现：那些外界的声音是如何塑造了你身上的鱼儿的鳞片 ？你潜意识里的“内在自我”，究竟渴望从周围的水域中获得什么？

欢迎加入我们，借由创造力，为自己建立一种带着爱的保护，学习如何穿越复杂的家庭暗流，游向属于你的自由之路。

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今天的节目，我非常荣幸能邀请到 Yousef AlAjarma 博士。他是威廉·詹姆斯学院（William James College）咨询系的教授，也是一名注册表达性艺术治疗师和持证心理健康咨询师 。他多年来致力于表达性艺术、创伤和社区心理健康的交叉领域，特别关注复原力、家庭系统和冲突转化 。在他的职业生涯中，他曾广泛服务于巴勒斯坦的创伤幸存者，并与联合国、世界医生组织（Doctors of the World）及巴勒斯坦教育部等机构合作 。他曾任国际表达性艺术治疗协会（IEATA）执行副主席，并持续通过临床工作和教学支持个人与社区。

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本期节目是我们的《艺术救心丸》将推出一个为期两个月的“表达性艺术EAT大师解答”系列，我十分荣幸邀请到6位全球表达性艺术领域的顶尖且资深的大师级、且在一线临床实践、教学的专家、教授为我们直接进行答疑解惑，TA们都毕业于表达性艺术治疗的学科原初发源地——美国莱斯利大学，都拥有几十年实践和教学经验，是这个学科从无到有、到稳步发展的前辈、亲历者。

为了方便大家的收听，我们的这个系列节目将分为中文模拟VO和英文原音两个版本同时发布，你可以根据自己的喜好进行收听版本的选择。

🔗【中美表达性艺术治疗系统培训项目介绍】

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

英文播客

This is another essential episode of our “EAT Masters Series.” In today’s episode, we are joined by expressive arts therapy expert Dr. Yousef AlAjarma. Drawing from over thirty years of clinical experience—ranging from academic halls to trauma recovery in conflict zones—he joins us to explore a struggle that resonates across cultures:

How do I break free from emotional blackmail when my parents say, “It’s all for your own good”?

When guilt becomes an invisible chain used to control our choices, we often feel trapped in shame. But Yousef reminds us that relationships aren't just about the words we speak—they are lived and stored within our senses and our bodies.

In this episode, Yousef invites you to become “a fish swimming in the deep.” Through this gentle yet profound metaphor, he guides you beyond the maze of verbal conflict to discover: How have external messages shaped your “scales” on the outside？What does your “inner self” truly need from the waters around you?

Join us as we use creativity to build a shield of love—learning how to navigate the complex currents of family and find the freedom to swim your own path.

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In today’s episode, I’m truly honored to be joined by Dr. Yousef AlAjarma, a professor in the Counseling Department at William James College, and a registered expressive arts therapist and licensed mental health counselor.

He brings years of experience working at the intersection of expressive arts, trauma, and community mental health, with a particular focus on resilience, family systems, and conflict transformation. Throughout his career, he has worked extensively with trauma survivors in Palestine, collaborating with organizations such as the United Nations, Doctors of the World, and the Palestinian Ministry of Education.

He’s former Executive Co-Chair of the International Expressive Arts Therapy Association, and continues to support individuals and communities through both clinical work and teaching.

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「Expressive Arts Therapy — Conversations with Masters」

As a graduate of the first cohort of the China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program, I feel deeply honored to invite six leading figures in the field—senior practitioners, professors, and educators actively engaged in both clinical work and teaching—to join this series and share their insights.

They all graduated from Lesley University and bring decades of experience. They are not only experts, but also pioneers—people who have witnessed and shaped the field from its early beginnings to where it is today.

To make listening easier, this series will be released in two versions: a Chinese voiceover version and the original English audio. You can choose whichever feels right for you.

🔗China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

英文播客

This is the second episode of our “EAT Masters” series. In today’s episode, we’re joined by expressive arts therapy expert Dr. Philip Speiser, who brings over four decades of clinical and teaching experience to explore a deeply personal question:

What can I do about my mom’s constant criticism?

When external voices slowly become an inner critic, perhaps what needs to change is not only the relationship itself, but the relationship we have with that voice. Because relationships don’t only exist outside of us—they also live within our bodies. In this episode, Phillip will guide you through the arts, inviting you to experience how to find your own center—somewhere between negation and change.

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Dr. Philip Speiser brings over four decades of clinical and teaching experience, and is an Expressive Arts Therapist, Drama Therapist, and Psychodramatist.

Throughout his career, he has been deeply engaged in integrating the arts with mental health practice, working with children, adolescents, families, and trauma-affected communities. Following 9/11, he developed and implemented arts-based trauma recovery programs in both New York and Boston, supporting individuals and communities in rebuilding and healing.

He’s also a founding member of the International Expressive Arts Therapy Association (IEATA), where he served as co-chair. He’s a research associate at the Witwatersrand University, Drama for Life department in Johannesburg, South Africa, and also teaches at Lesley University. He continues to work across cultures in the fields of mental health, conflict transformation, and expressive arts.

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「Expressive Arts Therapy — Conversations with Masters」

As a graduate of the first cohort of the China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program, I feel deeply honored to invite six leading figures in the field—senior practitioners, professors, and educators actively engaged in both clinical work and teaching—to join this series and share their insights.

They all graduated from Lesley University and bring decades of experience. They are not only experts, but also pioneers—people who have witnessed and shaped the field from its early beginnings to where it is today.

To make listening easier, this series will be released in two versions: a Chinese voiceover version and the original English audio. You can choose whichever feels right for you.

🔗China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

本期节目是我们【EAT大师解答系列】第2期，表达性艺术治疗资深专家Phillip Speiser 博士，带着他四十多年的临床与教学经验，为你解答：

【妈妈总是在不停地否定你，你该怎么办？】

当“外在的声音”慢慢变成“内在的批评者”，也许真正需要改变的，不只是关系本身，而是你和那个声音之间的关系。关系，从来不只是发生在外面，它也一直活在我们的身体里。这一期，Phillip 会带你通过意象与声音，去体验——如何在“否定”与“改变”之间，找到属于自己的那个“中心”。

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今天的节目，非常荣幸地邀请到Phillip Speiser 博士。

Phillip拥有超过四十年的临床与教学经验，同时也是一位表达性艺术治疗师、戏剧治疗师以及心理剧治疗师。在他的职业生涯中，一直致力于将艺术与心理健康实践相结合，服务于儿童、青少年、家庭，以及经历创伤的群体。在“9·11”事件之后，他在纽约和波士顿开发并实施了基于艺术的创伤修复项目，支持个体与社区在震荡中逐步重建与疗愈。

Pillip同时也是国际表达性艺术治疗协会（IEATA）的创始成员之一，并曾担任联合主席。目前，他是南非约翰内斯堡金山大学“戏剧与生命”项目的研究员，同时也在莱斯利大学任教。这些年来，他持续在跨文化的语境中工作，活跃于心理健康、冲突转化以及表达性艺术等多个领域。让我们一起热烈欢迎 Phillip Speiser 博士。

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本期节目是我们的《艺术救心丸》将推出一个为期两个月的“表达性艺术EAT大师解答”系列，我十分荣幸邀请到6位全球表达性艺术领域的顶尖且资深的大师级、且在一线临床实践、教学的专家、教授为我们直接进行答疑解惑，TA们都毕业于表达性艺术治疗的学科原初发源地——美国莱斯利大学，都拥有几十年实践和教学经验，是这个学科从无到有、到稳步发展的前辈、亲历者。

为了方便大家的收听，我们的这个系列节目将分为中文模拟VO和英文原音两个版本同时发布，你可以根据自己的喜好进行收听版本的选择。

🔗【中美表达性艺术治疗系统培训项目介绍】

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

英文播客

This is the very first episode of our “EAT Masters” series, and I feel really honored to invite leading voices in Expressive Arts Therapy to join us on Little Art Heart Pills, responding directly to your questions.

Today, we are joined by Dr. Keren Shechter from Lesley University—the academic home of Expressive Arts Therapy. With over 25 years of clinical practice and teaching experience, she’s here to explore a question many of us carry:

Why does it become harder to feel genuine happiness as we grow older? Where did all that joy we had as children go?

In this episode, you might just find a key to reconnect with that sense of joy… and a way to reawaken the vitality within. Don’t miss it.

Dr. Keren Shechter,  is an experienced registered expressive arts therapist, specializing in psychodrama, with over 25 years of clinical and professional experience. She has worked extensively with children, adolescents, and adults across various settings, including schools, community clinics, and mental health services. She currently teaches in the Expressive Arts Therapy master program at Lesley University in the United States, and also teaches as William James College and Cambridge College, where she supports the training of future expressive arts therapists. Her work integrates art, body, and relationship, using creative process to help people deepen self-understanding and connect with others.

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Starting today, we’re launching a two-month special series: 「Expressive Arts Therapy — Conversations with Masters」

As a graduate of the first cohort of the China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program, I feel deeply honored to invite six leading figures in the field—senior practitioners, professors, and educators actively engaged in both clinical work and teaching—to join this series and share their insights.

They all graduated from Lesley University and bring decades of experience. They are not only experts, but also pioneers—people who have witnessed and shaped the field from its early beginnings to where it is today.

To make listening easier, this series will be released in two versions: a Chinese voiceover version and the original English audio. You can choose whichever feels right for you.

🔗China–U.S. Expressive Arts Therapy training program

我们今天邀请到的特别嘉宾—— Keren Shechter 博士是一位注册表达性艺术治疗师（REAT），专注于心理剧方向，拥有超过25年的临床与实践经验，长期在学校、社区及心理健康服务系统中，与儿童、青少年及成人工作。她目前任教于美国莱斯利大学 Lesley University 表达性治疗项目，同时也在 William James College 和 Cambridge College 授课，致力于培养新一代表达性艺术治疗专业人才。她的工作融合艺术、身体与关系，通过创造性的方式，支持人们更深入地理解自我、连接TA人。

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从今天开始，我们的《艺术救心丸》将推出一个为期两个月的“表达性艺术EAT大师解答”系列，我个人作为中美表达性艺术治疗系统培训项目国内的一期毕业学员，十分荣幸邀请到6位全球表达性艺术领域的顶尖且资深的大师级、且在一线临床实践、教学的专家、教授为我们直接进行答疑解惑，TA们都毕业于表达性艺术治疗的学科原初发源地——美国莱斯利大学，都拥有几十年实践和教学经验，是这个学科从无到有、到稳步发展的前辈、亲历者。

为了方便大家的收听，我们的这个系列节目将分为中文模拟VO和英文原音两个版本同时发布，你可以根据自己的喜好进行收听版本的选择。

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。

本期节目是我们【大师解答系列】的第一期，有幸邀请到表达性艺术治疗领域全球资深专家教授做客《艺术救心丸》直接为您答疑解惑。来自表达性艺术治疗发源地美国莱斯利大学的Keren Shechter博士带着她25年的临床实践与教学经验，帮我们解答：

为什么越长大越难感受到快发自心底的快乐了呢？我们小时候的那些快乐都去哪儿了？

这期节目，Keren将带着你重拾童年快乐的钥匙和激活我们内在生命力的密码，千万不要错过哦！

我们今天邀请到的特别嘉宾—— Keren Shechter 博士是一位注册表达性艺术治疗师（REAT），专注于心理剧方向，拥有超过25年的临床与实践经验，长期在学校、社区及心理健康服务系统中，与儿童、青少年及成人工作。她目前任教于美国莱斯利大学 Lesley University 表达性治疗项目，同时也在 William James College 和 Cambridge College 授课，致力于培养新一代表达性艺术治疗专业人才。她的工作融合艺术、身体与关系，通过创造性的方式，支持人们更深入地理解自我、连接TA人。

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

从今天开始，我们的《艺术救心丸》将推出一个为期两个月的“表达性艺术EAT大师解答”系列，我个人作为中美表达性艺术治疗系统培训项目国内的一期毕业学员，十分荣幸邀请到6位全球表达性艺术领域的顶尖且资深的大师级、且在一线临床实践、教学的专家、教授为我们直接进行答疑解惑，TA们都毕业于表达性艺术治疗的学科原初发源地——美国莱斯利大学，都拥有几十年实践和教学经验，是这个学科从无到有、到稳步发展的前辈、亲历者。

为了方便大家的收听，我们的这个系列节目将分为中文模拟VO和英文原音两个版本同时发布，你可以根据自己的喜好进行收听版本的选择。

🔗【中美表达性艺术治疗系统培训项目介绍】

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主播：@笛笛：有着7年的心理咨询执业经历，个人执业心理咨询师 ｜ EGS瑞士欧洲研究生院表达性艺术博士在读 | 北京大学临床心理学硕士 ｜ 中国心理学会注册系统注册心理师 ｜北京知名高校心理咨询师 ｜ 在成为心理咨询师之前，拥有15年的影视娱乐及传播行业工作经验，曾任职于全球500强企业和国内一线电影公司管理岗位，参与策划、制作、营销多部国内外知名影片。

如有心理咨询需求，请关注“心理这点事儿”公众号，输入“心理咨询”获得咨询师笛笛详细的专业相关介绍及具体的预约流程。