The twins run the gamut from songwriting to music gear, Elton John to the Miami Dolphins, embarrassing moments to books, movies, Lemmy and much more - including a musical gem from the archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "The Wind" by Chris Yale

3:32 - Greetings / 1972 chatter / New For '72 LP / Miami Dolphins

4:50 - About "The Wind" / Chris' songwriting / Dark lyrics / Uncle Roger was superstitious

6:17 - Behringer Tube Amp Modeler / California Blonde amp / Davey Johnstone / Reticular Activating System / FOMO vs. FOMP

8:07 - Elton John at Dodger Stadium

9:28 - Thanksgiving at the Yale homes

10:35 - Holiday sides / The Robotooth blunder / Robot-Coupe

14:34 - Embarrassing little moments

15:57 - The need to be understood / Read Roger's blog post HERE

16:55 - "The Critic's Crypt"

18:04 - Press passes / Bloggers

18:42 - Terry Allen / Bob Lefsetz / Allen's songs "Amarillo Highway" and "Gimme a Ride to Heaven Boy"

20:47 - Little Free Library / Robert Lowell Notebook / The Elements of Style

21:42 - Christmas in retail / Where's Jesus? / Black Friday / Hymns versus hers / "Hymn to Her" / Chrissie Hynde / Pretenders / Lemmy

24:10 - Elvis biopic = depressing

25:38 - Touring and merch

26:01 - Parting shots / Don't be conformed / Subtleties of propaganda

In this episode, the twins run the gamut from MGM musicals to The Great Smoky Mountains, Jerry Lee Lewis to W. Kamau Bell, Sigmund Freud to Bob Dylan - and much more, including a musical gem from the archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Tighter" by Doug McKelley - Performed by Chris Yale, 2009

2:40 - Greetings and about the song

3:41 - Hanging with Chris' cats, Stevie and Kevin

5:23 - Undercover Introvert

6:03 - Roger tries a new joke on Chris / The problem with "get it?" / Standup

7:53 - Chris' throat issues/ Sigmund Freud oral cancer / Freud and cocaine

9:44 - Trips to the Vagabond Theatre with Dad, Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles / MGM musicals / The Bijou Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard / C.C. Brown's / Swensen's / David Lee Bynum

11:30 - More MGM musicals / "That's Entertainment!" / Meeting Eleanor Powell / Powell's tap shoes at Capezio Hollywood

13:24 - The original Yale Brothers didn't "get" rock 'n' roll / dying onstage versus killing onstage

14:12 - Audio issues with remote recording / ZOOM Livetrak L-8 / DAW / Logic Pro / Presets on L-8

15:54 - Roger's trip to the mountains / Maggie Valley, NC / Elk in Cherokee, NC / Bryson City, NC / Great Smoky Mountains Railroad / Wrecked trains from "The Fugitive" / Dillsboro, NC

17:49 - Gatlinburg, TN aka Myrtle Beach in the Mountains / Pigeon Forge, TN (same thing) / Ripley's Aquarium / Hollywood Wax Museum

19:33 - More David Lee Bynum

20:03 - Show tunes

20:56 - Grandfather and grandfather-to-be ' Kids and colds

22:08 - "The Awkward Thoughts of W. Kamau Bell" / United Shades of America

23:07 - Jerry Lee Lewis documentary, "I Am What I Am" / Chris met him in Myrtle Beach

24:22 - Figuring out cousins

25:19 - More Jerry lee Lewis - "The Devil's Music" / Sun Records

27:17 - More about vacations / Spending money

28:08 - Chris' music gear and accessories

28:34 - Bob Dylan documentary, "No Direction Home" / Pete Seeger's long-neck banjo / Dave Van Ronk / Fred Neil / Oscar Brand (see Fred Berney podcast episode) / Degrees of Dylan separation

29:50 - Parting shots / Retail killed the Christmas spirit / Our souls / Love not sleep

31:39 - Roger checks on Chris' state of mind, and that annoys Chris / "That don't confront me."

Recording remotely, the twins talk about growing up in Coconut Grove, the oldest permanent settlement in the greater Miami area - dredging up memories of their old stomping grounds and antics before moving to Los Angeles. They discuss music, songwriting, audio and more - including a musical sampling from one of Chris' recent sessions.

Above: Coconut Grove (Photo: New York Times)

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - Chris exploring musical possibilities in new jam.

2:18 - Greetings / "Vote for Chris" / Chris singing at Mass / The Miami News / "The Magic Show" at Coconut Grove Playhouse and in L.A. / Peter De Paula /

4:46 - Roger wants all the family photos / What is family friendly?

5:15 - Roger's new blog post about growing up in Coconut Grove / Roger trying to remember / Feedback on Old Coconut Grove Facebook page / More about the Grove

8:10 - Vizcaya Museum & Gardens / Museum of Science / Miami Seaquarium shark display / Rickenbacker Causeway / Busted with BB guns in Miami and Hollywood Hills

11:25 - Eskil's Clog Shop Miami / Debbie Hansen / Cozzolli's Pizza / Buying fake IDs / Bus stop at Dinner Key / Sailboat Bay / David T. Kennedy Park

13:50 - Latency issues from piano to P.A. / PreSonus StudioLive 16 /

15:00 - Chris all alone at the house with the animals / Playing guitar through Roland Micro Cube amp / California Blonde amp

17:14 - Chris ' current reading / The Bible / C. S. Lewis "The Weight of Glory" / Roger mentions "Mere Christianity" / James Altucher "Choose Yourself" / Roger still reading "Main Street" by Sinclair Lewis / Game show scandal involving Charles Van Doren, co-author (with Mortimer Adler) of "How to Read a Book" / Syntopicon

21:12 - Roger "boning up" on Boogie Woogie piano

22:58 - Songwriting versus instrument mastery

24:24 - Playing the Selectric

24:59 - Parting shots / Americone Dream / Chris' regratabble diet, lately / The Pump House gym Myrtle Beach / Chris' grandsons Miles and Elijah

 

 

 

In this episode, the twins try their hands again at remote recording. Roger is excited that the iconic rock magazine, CREEM, is back again. Family, books, Elton and life lately - plus another gem from the archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Early Train" by Chris Yale - Performed at The Central (now The Viper Room), Los Angeles 1989

4:06 - Greetings / About the song / Recording this podcast remotely

4:58 - CREEM Magazine is back / "Boy Howdy" / R. Crumb / Barry Kramer / J.J. Kramer / No Depression Magazine

6:39 - Lester Bangs / Greil Marcus / Dave Marsh

7:36 - "Have a Little Faith: The John Hiatt Story" by Michael Elliot / John Hiatt music and catalog / Roger "playing ahead"

9:51 - CREEM cover - new first issue

10:23 - Roger's writing / Drumming up work and blogging

10:46 - Chris meets his granddaugher, Naomi / Rog hanging with Katie, Bill, Miles and Naomi

11:28 - Elton John in Charlotte / Elton at Barclay's Center 2019

12:54 - "Main Street" by Sinclair Lewis / "Babbitt" / Provincial blowback

14:55 - Elbert Hubbard's Scrap Book / The Note Book of Elbert Hubbard / Grove Park Inn, Asheville

15:47 - Roger's upcoming vacation / Maggie Valley and more

16:40 - 2023 shows at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / Roger solo gigs

17:46 - Kent Kimes / Weekly Surge

18:49 - "Dead Elvis" by Greil Marcus / Books we forgot / "The Crack in the Cosmic Egg" / "Conceptual Blockbusting" / "Economics Explained" / Michael Benner / KLOS

19:45 - Pascal badgering Joe Benson at KLOS / Acid / Ancient Age

20:45 - Parting shots / Chris' mother-in-law's birthday / More CREEM

The twins go down a rabbit hole that runs the gamut from recording gear, old papers and anxiety to gigs in Myrtle Beach, horrible movies, a hardhat and much more - including a replay of a musical gem from their old band, Rogue Alley.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "City of Pain" by Chris Yale performed by Rogue Alley

4:23 - Greetings / The life of the mind / Dusty old papers / Dominick Dunne / Karpeles Manuscript Library Museum Charleston, S.C. / College of Charleston / Hollywood Bookbinding shop, 1970s

6:18 - About "City of Pain" / Chris' leather pants / Rick Springfield / Jim Morrison / Rob Halford / Village People / The hardhat

9:12 - "Can't Stop the Music" / Alan Carr / Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner / Mixdowns on blow / Fleetwood Mac "Tusk"

10:16 - Zoom LiveTrak L-8 / Roger's progress / Issues with TRRS cable / Dumping files to DAW / Mix minus / RODEcaster Pro

16:05 - Chris dropped his phone

17:24 - "The Season" is ending in Myrtle Beach / "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" / Joan Didion / "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" / Chris brags about his chores at work

20:26 - Chris' anxiety / "I'll see how I feel tomorrow" / Letters between Mom and Dad / Heavily redacted and curated / Mom's journals

25:48 - Old Bull and Bush Pub Myrtle Beach versus LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / Old versus new recording and PA gear

27:25 - Yinzers

27:34 - Chris' meltdown / Questions about mental states / The Canadian tobacco order / Roger punched Chris

30:03 - Roger Dollarhide and our cousin Lidcay / "Lidcay pulled a gun on me" / Oxygen tent revival

31:27 - Burned out on Bowie and Bruce / Melissa Etheridge on Bob Lefsetz Podcast / Daryl Hall on Lefsetz Podcast / Chris' 12-string Takamine / A (pedalboard) Chorus Line

33:15 - Roger got a spoof email / Kramer on the bus

36:12 - "How to Read a Book" - Adler / Little Free Library / Giving away books

37:32 - TRRS experiment

The twins discuss the various DAWs and standalone multitrack recorders at their disposal and the learning curves associated with them. They also touch on Georgetown, SC, going wireless, a discussion about a book Roger has been wanting to read for decades and much more - including a crazy instrumental from the archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Crime Drama 1975" - by Chris Yale

1:39 - Greetings and about the track / Logic Pro versus GarageBand / Failing at Cubase / "Failing Forward" by John C. Maxwell

3:30 - Florian ZaBach was a real dude / The Firesign Theatre / Travalanche Blog

5:38 - "The Season" in Myrtle Beach / Overdevelopment

6:43 - Chris went wireless

8:47 - ZOOM LiveTrak L-8 - Roger is getting one, Chris has one / Remote podcasting

10:31 - Carolina Forest versus Myrtle Beach

11:03 - Chris' trip to Georgetown, SC, with wife Betsy / Front Street Guitars / Purr & Pour Cat Cafe / Folk art / Howard Finster / Howard Bannister / Fenster

16:50 - Recent gigs at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach

17:00 - "How to Read a Book" by Mortimer Adler and Charles Van Doren / Encyclopedia Britannica / Great Books of the Western World / Syntopicon / About the book

21:30 - Scrolling and the decline of attention / Bob Lefsetz / TikTok

22:43 - Learning the ZOOM L8

23:32 - Elton John is coming to Charlotte

24:00 - Georgetown / Brookgreen Gardens / Aesthetics / Appreciating Art / Ox head and scorpion tail / John Entwistle and Michael Schenker

25:49 - Birthday shout-outs to Jim Alden, Craig Cass, Scott Mann, Chris Garcia

27:05 - Al Goldstein, again / Parting shots

The twins discuss Chris' guitars and their inherent personalities throughout this episode. Chris is going to be a grandfather again and Roger is going to be a first-time grandfather. But there's more: A misplaced lecture from a nun, the choice to respond correctly, recent gigs, a song snippet from the archive and much more.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - Song snippet: "Same Old Thing" by Chris Yale

2:40 - Greetings / Chris' guitars: Voices and tunings / Orangewood / Alvarez / Yamaha Pacifica / 1978 Telecaster / Freedom Guitar Hollywood

5:36 - About "Same Old Thing"

6:13 - Sister Kathleen got it wrong

8:00 - Holsum Bread

9:14 - Episode 65 with Fred Berney

9:55 - The Grandfather Club- Chris and Roger

12:19 - More about the Coffee House scene / Brill Building songwriters: Carole King, Cynthia Weil / Barry Mann / Andy Kim / Jeff Barry / Holdouts from the Folk scene

13:57 - The rocking chairs at Baptist Hospital, Miami

14:41 - Deciding to play music / Drums and piano / Boogie-woogie piano

17:35 - Sound settings at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / Requests / North Myrtle Beach RV Resort and Dry Dock Marina / Old Bull and Bush Pub / Schlepping and sound / Cubase and DAW

22:47 - "The Season" in Myrtle Beach / Recharging and getaways / Weed

24:09 - It's never too late / Time will pass anyway

24:30 - More guitar talk / Ovation / Takamine / Alvarez / Oscar's Gibson SG

25:43 - No apologies / Let guilt transform you / Screw guilt? / Al Goldstein / Cigar shows / Mickey Rooney / Star-B-Que / Roy Moseley

27:40 - Commercial auditions / Agents / Ann Wright Agency / Margo Vann's photos

29:00 - Missy the cat looks like Babs

30:36 - Our attitudes and responses / Roger's BLOG POST about that / Viktor Frankl / Chris' mea culpa rant

34:08 - More about Chris' guitar voices / Morgan Spruce / Morgan Spurlock / JP Morgan / Morgan Fairchild

35:39 - Canal Street Stradivarius

36:44 - Status nonsense / Play what you like / Lugging heavy gear to bars / Guitar is passe / Music technology

39:00 - "Songwriter" movie / "Ishtar"

39:44 - Retail at the Brill

40:05 - Parting shots / Heaven / Hebrew National / Nathan's

“Hootenanny A Go-Go,” aka “Once Upon A Coffee House” is a 1965 film based on an original story by and includes songs and music from our dad, Carl Yale (that’s him with the sunglasses if you’re on Libsyn). The film was shot in Miami at a breakneck pace in 1964 and was produced by Fred Berney.

The idea came about as a result of Berney’s visits to one of our father’s (and uncle's) coffee houses in Miami – The Hootenanny – as the folk scene was coming to a crescendo at the advent of the British Invasion – and was intended as a vehicle for various folk artists at the time. Of note is the fact that the film was also the first-ever screen appearance by Joan Rivers.

Here’s our conversation with Fred – a look into the film itself, his life and career in media, and his take on Miami itself.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Once Upon a Coffee House" by Carl Yale, performed by The Goldebriars

2:00 - Greetings and about the song - from the film "Hootenanny A Go-Go" aka "Once Upon a Coffee House"

3:25 - Welcome Fred Berney / Growing up in Miami / Shenandoah Elementary / Shenandoah Junior High / Miami Senior High

4:50 - Early interest in recording / Pentron 9T-3C

8:57 - Hanging out at WQAM / Kirby Brooks / DuPont Building / "Johnny's Magic Adventure" multi-groove records / Bob Gordon / Rick Shaw / Jon Arthur / Brace Beemer / Miami Stadium

14:20 - Turning a love of radio into a profession / Recording studio / Satellite Media backstory

17:13 - Meeting Carl and Roger Yale, the original Yale Brothers / Hootenanny Coffee House (8th Street)

18:50 - Origins of radio show / Joseph Cotton / "Night at the Hootenanny Coffee House" record / Phil Koss / Helene Slack / Vince Martin / Recording process and performers / Mike Piel / Columbus Day Hootenanny live recording

25:43 - The Coffee House (Douglas Road) - used for exteriors in the movie / Interiors shot on sets.

26:53 - Background info on movie / Vehicle for Folk music / Fred's film education at the University of Miami and real-world experience / Commercial production

29:58 - Interest in shooting a film / "Sextet" (1964 - Not the Mae West movie) / Russ Meyer "nudie-cuties"

31:00 - More background on movie / Initial funding through Berney's father / Reela Films / Wometco and WTVJ / Meeting at Epic Records NYC / The Freewheelers / The Goldebriars / Casting / The Bitter End NYC / Jim, Jake and Joan

34:18 - Premiere in Miami / The sets / Storage of negative / Prints / 35mm versus 16mm / Arriflex camera versus Mitchell camera

38:40 - Director of Photography Will Jones / Issues with original director / Commentary track on DVD - distributed by Alpha Video / Talent considered: Director Chris Nyby II, Jerry Van Dyke, Paul Lynde / Lead roles: Curtis Taylor and Karen Thorsell

45:15 - Radio show 1963 / Whirlwind courtship with future wife Ellen Berney

46:36 - Music by Carl Yale with additional lyrics by (Uncle) Roger Yale - with the exception of Oscar Brand / Original script / Director Shepard Traube

52:25 - "Nude Girl with Guitar" painting

53:42 - Dad's cameos / Dream sequence / Crew as extras / Chris and Roger appeared in their stroller

57:12 - Parting comments

59:10 - "Honey Bunny" by Carl Yale

In this episode, the twins discuss the tourist season in Myrtle Beach, the long-awaited KISS show in Raleigh, dense books, obnoxious drinking times - and much more, including a gem from the musical archive - this one from Chris' friend and former bandmate.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "No Way" by Doug McKelley

2:36 - Greetings / Podcast resistance / Bullworker / About the song / Medicine Hat / Doug McKelley, Phil Romano, Ed Dennis, Nick Falco (RIP) / Wow and flutter / Adjust the azimuth

5:26 - Financial literacy / Credit and consumerism

6:18 - "The Season" in Myrtle Beach / Broadway at the Beach / Tinder Box Myrtle Beach / LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / Beach town? / Over-development

8:19 - KISS in Raleigh, finally / BLOG POST / Perception versus reality / David Garibaldi / Denny Dent / Ken Kelly (RIP) / Love Gun Tour / "KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park" / Six Flags Magic Mountain / Pre-trip playlist / Parking lot t-shirts

15:09 - Miles (Chris' grandson) calls him "Dude."

16:47 - Dense books / "Fantasyland" by Kurt Andersen / John Hiatt biography / New Thought movement / Emerson / Thoreau / "Saints and Strangers" / "London's Burning"

21:29 - Drinking and obnoxious behavior back in the day

22:59 - Trump doesn't read

23:32 - Allen Ginsberg / The Beat Generation / Burroughs / "Junky" / Cut-and paste / "Naked Lunch" / "Cities of the Red Night" / Burroughs' wife's death / Kerouac's "On the Road" / Watershed's "Bleeding on the Blank Page"

25:06 - Carolina Country Music Fest is sold out / Luke Bryan / Keith Urban / Jason Aldean / Myrtle Beach resident parking stickers

26:47 - Chris' song and snippet work

27:26 - Anxiety

27:45 - Parting shots - Taylor (Roger's daughter) is visiting soon / Summer events at Tinder Box Myrtle Beach / Gurkha Cigars / Sparky's Country Store - "Have a Bow-WOW Day" / Thoughts of heaven

The twins discuss the baby formula shortage, their childhood home in up in Coconut Grove, KISS, groupies, various recording  platforms and much more, including another gem from the music archive. SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Seeing's Believing" - Medicine Hat version

4:08 - Greetings and about the song

5:18 - Dig Dug / Sweetened and sugary sodas

5:58 - Baby formula shortage / Atlantic article / Back to breastfeeding?

11:37 - Supply chain / Crypto crash

12:44 - Roger's newspaper work / Coconut Grove blog post / 2340 Tigertail Court / More about the house / "Square Grouper"

16;29 - "Square groupies" / Death of a Plaster Caster / "Sweet, Sweet Connie" / KISS' "Plaster Caster"

18:49 - KISS' early influence on The Yale Brothers / Cheap Trick / Strasberg school / "Uta Hagen Dazs"

20:54 - ROG finally going to KISS in Raleigh

22:02 - "Fame" movie / Teresa Hughes / Irene Cara

22:37 - Chris' animals

23:13 - Chris is working on song ideas / recording and drumming platforms / Chris' drumming / On overplaying

28:18 - Bike Week in Myrtle Beach / Baggers and Double-Baggers

28:55 - Recent gig at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach

29:56 - Parting Shots / "Who's Roger Yale?" / Chris' anxiety