Your Money, Your Wealth

Joe Anderson, CFP® and Alan Clopine, CPA discuss why the father of the 401(k) regrets creating it. Plus, the worst mistakes you can make with your IRA and 401(k). Original publish date January 14, 2017 (hour 1). Note that content may be outdated as rules and regulations have changed.

00:00 - Intro

01:46 "[For today's topics,] I've got ten important considerations for 401(k) rollovers, and Ed Slott's three fatal IRA (individual retirement account) errors."

02:59 "Ted Benna, in case you don't know, is known as the father of the 401(k) and we was a benefits consultant with Johnson companies, and he was among one of the first to come up with the notion that American workers should set aside their own pay pre-tax for retirement."

04:02 "He and other early proponents dislike what the 401(k) has spawned. The tool was never meant to serve as the main means by which workers save for retirement, but that's precisely what it's become – it's increasing the financial risk for workers along the way."

08:25 "The other thing he doesn't like about the 401(k) is he says 'I helped open the door for Wall Street to make even more money than they were already making. That is the one thing I do regret.'"

11:36 "A majority of retirees rolled over their 401(k) to an IRA at retirement."

14:29 "Let's say you go back to an old company, you could roll all of your 401(k) into that new 401(k), that avoids the required distribution until you're retired."

20:03 "When you think of an appropriate globally-diversified portfolio with a rebalancing strategy, a rebalancing strategy simply means that whatever asset class you have that's done really well – you shave some of those profits off…and buy an asset class that hasn't done as well – you're constantly selling higher and buying lower by discipline...you take the emotion out of it."

22:57 "The true value-add of an advisor is to take a look at what the strategy is, what their plan is and coming up with the tax alpha if you will, because if you can reduce the overall tax liability of the income that you're trying to produce, that's more money – it's a rate of return. If you look at rebalancing when markets go up and down or sideways to keep that risk parameter based on your goals – that's huge."

29:24 "Here's another one (mistake) that's irreversible. This is when you have a non-spouse rollover…let's say you inherit an IRA from your father or mother and you roll it over into your own IRA…you may not realize this but it's a prohibited transaction. That's treated as a full distribution."

Douglas P. McCormick joins Joe Anderson, CFP® and Alan Clopine, CPA to discuss the framework and premise of his book Family, Inc.: Using Business Principles to Maximize Your Family's Wealth. Also in this hour: Social Security changes for 2017 + answers to financial questions. Original publish date January 7, 2017 (hour 2). Note that content may be outdated as rules and regulations have changed.

Joe: (6:57) "Tell us a little bit about yourself and what made you write the book Family Inc."

Douglas: (7:12) "I'm an undergrad from West Point; I was an active duty army officer for five years and after that time decided a military career was not for me, so then I went back to business school at Harvard and graduated with a master's degree in finance and worked on Wall Street for a couple of years. In spite of all that great experience, I never had what I considered to be a good foundation in personal finance. Today, I think financial literacy is one of the biggest problems in America and our traditional education system is not doing a good job of teaching these principles.

7:49 For me, the Family Inc. framework is an elegant way to help people think about all the competing choices that they have out there with their assets and finances."

Joe: (8:15) "There are billions of books out there on personal finance and we still have a financial literacy problem. Why is your book different?"

Douglas: (8:23) "My objective is not to give you answers, but to teach people how to think so they can get their own answers. What is unique about Family, Inc. is that it provides people with a framework. The premise of the book is that all families could look at themselves as a business. Each family predominately has two big assets – they have their labor assets and they have their financial assets and the name of the game is to manage those assets, to do all the things you want to do in life and when it comes time to retire to have capital to support your consumption.

9:00 "I think the great thing about that framework is that businesses have been dealing with those kinds of decisions for many years…and when you look at the family that way it really allows you to borrow many of those tools and best practices that have been time-tested in business."

Al: (9:16) "Doug, give us a sample of what families ought to be looking for or looking to do."

Douglas: (9:22) "Let me give you some of the big mistakes. First of all, I think you can't really talk about financial independence or financial security if you're not thinking about how to maximize your labor potential…another thing the book does a good job on is helping people focus on the right time frame…to think about your performance not in terms of how you got paid this year but in terms of lifetime compensation – that's a very important change in time horizon."

10:26 "One of the things I really preach in the book is a family CFO's job is much broader than simply how you manage your investments or how you budget – it's things like managing your risk or training the next generation in the family to be good stewards of your capital and it's things like investment and education and entrepreneurship."

Joe: (13:34) "How would you do that calculation to see what the appropriate asset mix is in regards to equities?"

Douglas: (13:41) "Both Social Security and labor you can roughly calculate similarly which is you kind of make assumptions about either how long your working career is or how long you're likely to live…then you project your future income with a growth rate and tax rate…and you essentially discount that back with some adjustment for inflation. First of all, on familyinc.com there are calculators for both your labor and Social Security. Second, I promise you the estimate you come up with will be wrong – it's less about projecting a single number and more about thinking about that asset in the context of your overall plan because it's going to be directionally right."

Joe: (15:51) "What advice would you give our service men and women?"

Douglas: (15:56) "One of my primary objectives for doing the book is to support the military community and veteran community with a good framework to think about navigating transition. First of all, the big thing I'd say for the military community is you have to acknowledge that your circumstances are different from mainstream America, and so your plan must be different…it really starts with understanding those differences – the Family Inc. framework can also be applied to those circumstances."

18:40 "I am currently contributing to a company sponsored 401(k). I contribute 8% (annual salary $60K), which comes out to $4,800 for the year. Can I also set up and contribute to a Roth IRA? If so, what amount can I contribute?"

18:59 "The answer is absolutely yes. With a Roth IRA, you can contribute $5500 per year. If you're 50 and older, you get a $1,000 catch-up so you can do $6,500. With the 401(k), it might have a Roth option in it. In that case, if you're under 50 you can contribute $18,000 total."

19:58 "If you fully fund a 401(k), you can fully fund a Roth IRA if you're under the income limits."

27:05 "Can I use life insurance like a Roth IRA? I make too much money to contribute to a Roth IRA. However, I would like to save more in a tax saving manner. I've heard I can use Life Insurance like a Roth. How do I do this? Is it a good idea?"

27:42 "Certain life insurance policies allow you to put more money into them than the actual life insurance premium so you start building up a cash surrender value. You can in many cases invest that how you see fit; it grows inside that insurance policy, there is no current taxation and then you get to a point where you retire and if it's a big enough balance you can borrow against that and it's tax-free."

Editor of Kiplinger's Retirement Report, Rachel Sheedy joins Joe Anderson, CFP® and Alan Clopine, CPA to discuss inherited IRA (individual retirement account) rules & strategies for beneficiaries. Plus, how to become an extreme saver in 2017. Original publish date January 7, 2017 (hour 1). Note that content may be outdated as rules and regulations have changed.

Important Points:

04:43 "Let me recap on 2016 – I have a year-end report here. We had a rocky start in the beginning of the year…the first month was the first January in the history of the stock market…"

07:46 "Almost half of the gains happened in just a few weeks - that's why timing markets is so incredibly difficult. No one guessed this."

08:37 "Be fully diversified and make sure that you have the right risks at the right times given your specific goals…to wrap up 2016, it was a wild ride – there were a heck of a lot of different things that happened but at the end of the year if you stayed true to your investment strategy, you probably ended up with a decent year."

Joe: (11:57) "What are some things that you're writing about that people should be aware of?"

Rachel: (12:00) "There are definitely some key points that heirs really need to be aware of that can really maximize an inherited IRA…a big key is [looking at if there] are there different rules for spousal beneficiaries of an IRA versus non-spouse beneficiaries. Spousal beneficiaries have a lot of leeway – they can essentially take the account as their own. Non-spouse beneficiaries can't do that. They've got more rules that they need to pay attention to."

12:30 "One of the key things they need to know is that they need to re-title the account…they need to re-title it as an inherited IRA and make sure that their name and the decedent's name are listed when they re-title it to make sure they know who is who – that's step number one."

Joe: (13:06) "That's right, it has to stay in the decedent's name or it could really blow up on them."

Rachel: (13:10) "That's definitely a move people should not make, they should not roll that inherited account over into their own if they're a non-spouse beneficiary. They need to re-title it as an IRA."

Joe: (13:20) "When it comes to spouses, what would you talk about in regards to keeping it in the decedent's name or rolling the decedent spouse into their own?"

Rachel: (13:32) "One of the big things is whether the surviving spouse is younger than 59 ½. If they're younger than 59 ½ and they need that money, if they keep that account as a beneficiary they can cap it without having to pay the early withdrawal penalty, and that's true for any beneficiary that's capping a traditional IRA."

Al: (16:47) "The rules are so complicated when it comes to IRAs…if you're not the spouse then you have to start taking required minimum distributions and a lot of people don't realize it even if you're 20 years old you've got to start taking a required minimum distribution."

Rachel: (17:13) "Right, that's a key point. If you want to be able to keep that IRA alive and be able to stretch it out for potentially decades, you need to start taking required distributions. You can also take out more if you wanted to, but if you take out that minimum amount you can keep that IRA going."

Al: (17:31) "That's also true for Roth IRAs, because the account owner doesn't have to take a required distribution but a non-spouse beneficiary does, although it's tax-free."

Rachel: (17:46) "Roth IRA heirs need to realize that they've got to take distributions even though the owner didn't, but the distributions will be tax-free – they are taxable income if it's a traditional IRA."

Joe: (18:00) "Rachel, this is great information. Where can our listeners get more information about you and read up on what you're currently doing?"

Rachel: (18:06) "Kiplinger.com is a great resource if you go to the retirement section our cover shows up there. You can search by different topics – IRAs, Social Security, etc."

20:02 "These are mistakes that we see those people 55 years and older making, and mistake number one is underestimating longevity."

24:05 "If you find it impossible to save, start at least small – just get the ball rolling."

33:31 "Another thing that people don't think about is the taxation of saving accounts because there are different places to save. You can save in your 401(k) or 403(b) if you have one, you can save in your trust account, savings account, you can save into a Roth IRA or a Roth provision in your 401(k) or 403(b)."

Joe Anderson, CFP® and Alan Clopine, CPA summarize the highs and lows of 2016 in YMYW podcast episode 92, then talk about how to automate and increase your retirement savings, how to create a retirement lifestyle game plan, and steps to take if you plan on moving in retirement. Original publish date December 31, 2016 (hour 1). Note that content may be outdated as rules and regulations have changed.

01:30 "This year, if you take away any lesson from this [past] year in 2016 when it comes to your investments…is that it's very difficult for you to time the market."

04:52 "That's what investors need to do – they need to look at the long-term and not worry about the day-to-day, month-to-month, quarter-to-quarter because if you have the right investment allocation for you, then let that work."

11:23 "Evaluate your Social Security claiming strategies because we know that you can start collecting as early as 62 but there are downsides there – your full retirement age, for most of you, is 66 unless you're born after 1953 and you can take it as late as age 70. Start thinking about Social Security before you even get there because that's potentially going to be a big chunk of income for you."

15:20 "Evaluate your savings. If you have $500,000 in savings, you probably should plan not to take any more than about 4% per year. This is a rule of thumb – it's called the 4% rule… and doesn't work in all cases…in fact, if you retire younger than 66, you probably don't want to take 4% because you're probably going to run out of money sooner."

22:35 "Pay yourself first – by that, you're saving first before you're spending, and the best way to do that is if you have a 401(k) or 403(b) at your work because it comes right out of your paycheck and you never miss it. Not all of you have 401(k)s, so in that case you'll have to open your own savings account."

26:06 "Understand tax ramifications. This one is missed a lot because you may not even realize this but all the money that you've saved into your 401(k) or your 403(b) or in many cases your IRAs – [when] that money comes out it's taxed at ordinary income rates which is the same rates you're used to paying right now."

33:03 "Get serious about relocation plans. If you plan to move when you retire, find out how much you'll actually net for your house and how much it will cost to move to your new location."

34:30 "In some cases it may make sense to refinance your loan – do that while you're working because you need the income to qualify."