Zali Steggall (pictured) is the independent Member for Warringah and on May 20 was on webinar organized by The Australia Institute.

She was in conversation with the institute's deputy directory, Ebony Bennett, and the director of the institute's Climate and Energy Program, Richie Merzian, about the economics of the present pandemic.

Zali, who dislodged former Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, from his seat, has been interviewed by Climate Conversations when still just a candidate. She has matured and gained immense poise since then.

You can listen to the near hour-long conversation as recorded by the institute.