Guest-host Jefferson Smith speaks with Switchboard Inc's Mara Zepeda, who found that companies that were for-profit and enabled social good, face systemic challenges so we wrote the Zebra Manifesto which gave birth to the Zebras Unite movement!

Drew Penrose from Fair Vote joins the program to explain how rank choice voting works. Jefferson concludes with a discussion of just what is a moderate anyway? Callers respond.

Book Club reading from "Stop Being Reasonable: How We Really Change Our Minds" by Eleanor Gordon-Smith.

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