#Post(s) in Question

Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1icc8dx/from_the_famous_cases_treasuryshuilao_facing/

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# What did we talk about?

Disagree.  Not about ignorance.

Possible wordings:

1.  Bodhidharma came from the West to show reverence 2.  In that Bodhidharma came, you should show reverence 3.  ? Bodhidharma was able to come from the West because he was reverent 4.  If you are asking me about Bodhidharma, then you should bow

Showing reverence often takes the form of aggression toward the Zen Master.

Beef: Mazu's kick is or is not a rebuke of Shuilao being ignorant. 

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#Post(s) in Question

Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1h0js2q/more_checkpoints/

"How is my hand like the hand of Buddha?"

"How is my leg like the leg of a donkey?"

"Everyone exists by a particular cause of birth."

I'm not even.  Don't listen while driving on a freeway or interstate.

I was confused the whole episode.  

If you want to know what a thankyou letter from a Zen Master sounds like, that what this Case is about.

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#Post(s) in Question

Post:  https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1i69u56/from_the_famous_cases_treasuryzhaozhous_good_thing/

The master was leaving the main hall when he saw a monk bowing to him.

The master struck him with his stick.

The monk said, "But bowing is a good thing’”

The master said. “A good thing is not as good as nothing.

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# What did we talk about?

Disagree!  Lots of disagreement.

Why is there ridicule in Zen?

Why is there bowing in Zen?  Amnesia!

Is Enlightenment earned?  What is non-causal?

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#Post(s) in Question

Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1hpmfum/least_popular_questions/

1. Who do you think is enlightened in modern times?
2. What Zen texts have you read?
3. What's your practice/doctrine/text?

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# What did we talk about?

How 1900's culture was particularly disingenuous, is the root of modern anti-intellectualism.

Beginner's Mind - poopoo-ing enlightement, not interested in merit, karma, 8fp... but unashamedly claims Zen and Buddhism.

1900's doesn't have much in the way of skepticism in the culture.  Everyone is an expert?

Low affiliation/Low experience-education sub culture, is it it's own subculture?

This "Low-Low" is typified by no  big obligation to practice, desire to "share" experience.

Popular and Unpopular is... relative?

What's an outlier?  In Zen?

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#Post(s) in Question

Post under discussion: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1hkmjir/koans_the_record_of_winners/

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# What did we discuss?

Records of winners?

What is a koan? Which koans matter?

Conversation about what?

What is conversation?  Explicitly public vs explicitly private.

Zen goals vs church goals.

Judging people by their own standards not someone else's.

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#Post(s) in Question

Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1hinlqv/zhaozhou_avoiding_his_birth_family_intimacy/

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was zhaozhou talking about his family?  cousins?  he was 70?

was zhaozhou referencing his old teacher?  

seeing one time is a big zen theme

net of love is a sex sutra?

who is hakamaya and what's wrong with academia

western buddhist academia as "mostly 1960's" and not "mostly buddhist"

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#Post(s) in Question

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What does "wash your bowl" mean?  

Educated in the record - not the norm in Zen, but the norm everywhere else.

What does the word "everyday" even mean?  

Fun with "overly vague" terms

If:then statement as instruction

Triangulating Interpretation:  Three Cases by that Master.  Three discussions of the Case by other Masters.

Topicalism in Zen and Art History: It doesn't mean that because you feel it does

Is "caring" the same in protestant cultures as it is in Zen communes?

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#Post(s) in Question

Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1haggbg/zen_dualistic_thinking_vs_western_buddhist_duality/

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What do Buddhists believe?  Most people who use the term "dualism" are NOT Buddhist, and use the "dualism" as a wild card to defend irrationality, as in to separate lying/truth is dualism.  To make arguments based on fact instead of fiction is "dualism".

What is "religion"?  Part of a group with common beliefs that can be enuciated.  Are new agers religious?

Internet spiritualists vs Zazen and Mormonism.

Materialism is what now?

Materialism="there is an independent objective reality".  Materialism seems more relevant to Zen than Buddhist non-duality.

Can we call non-establishment new agers "internet spritualists"?

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#Post(s) in Question

Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1guflov/wumens_gateless_checkpoint/

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#What did we end up talking about?

Why are the warnings left out?  Japan's marketing power extends to cults.

Why does language work that way?  Read the Japanese study on fault and cause in passive voice.

Learning language and it's confusing.

Philosophical constructions in Zen texts.

Sunday school training versus Philosophy skills.  Gets us to critical Buddhism, translation culture.

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#Post(s) in Question

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#What did we end up talking about?

A list of questions and criticisms based on notes from the previous episode, and some bewiderment at why people pretend to know what enlightenment is in the comments.

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