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Read the History, Talk the History #286

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1p5gwt7/from_the_dms_linjis_never_been/

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# What did we talk about?

What are the three vehicles? How about "obedience, compassion, and esoteric knowledge" as translations? * https://www.termatree.com/blogs/termatree/understanding-the-three-vehicles-of-buddhism-sravayana-mahayana-and-vajrayana

weeds are a metaphor for what? Buddha planted a bunch of seeds.

A monk asked Shitou, "What is the cardial meaning of the patrairchs? Shitou said "Right in front of me is a stretch of weeds that Ive never hoed in the past thirty years." Later someone mentioned this remark to the master [Yunyan]. The master said, "The ox doesn't eat the weeds along the edge of its pen."

When exactly does Linji get upset at the lecturer monk/master?

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Multiple level of meanings of Zen koans

* Zen Master traditional challenge questions: What are you doing? What is that?

* Material world level, metaphorical level, Zen doctrine level

Explaining the meaning of the Zen Bull: www.reddit.com/r/zen/wiki/bull

Why the 5 Zen bulls are NOT NOT NOT the 10 Buddhist Bulls: The invisible Bull

Nanquan [Cleary: Nahn-chwen] comparing himself to a bull in other cases.

Zhaozhou gets called "you animal", and that means Nanquan sees him as a fellow enlightened animal.

Zen enlightenment: not Buddhist ordination, Zen enlightenment is permanent.

Koans as history. Zen Master Buddha's 600 years in India.

What we lost in the 1900's from Zazen propaganda: loss of respect/identity for the Zen monks who worked their whole lives on Zen records.

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1olllu9/moon_face_zen_master/ and https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1ojb7tp/silent_illumination_exposed/

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# What did we talk about?

Virtual communites. Limited time. Chatgpt translation.

How much time do we have?

Foreign Jesus vs Bodhidharma

How fast we are we going?

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1ot5j59/foyan_qingyuan_facing_it_directly_dont_miss_whats/

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# What did we talk about?

Entering from the East isn't going to work because it's relative. Relatives?

Why East becomes West.

Can you know too much? Study too much? Travel too much?

Who is the mysterious wayfarer? Did he cheat death or cheat die?

Cheating Zen Masters? What if you want something that doesn't exist?

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1ovutd7/nanquan_breaks_the_precepts/

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# What did we talk about?

How to explain one culture to another?

Who is to blame for a series of events?

Who do rules matter to?

Good for the goose, good for the gander: asymetric rule breaking

The threat Nanquan posed to dissovling his community

Zen and personal expression: the same as religion?

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

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https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1ou8o2m/from_the_open_thread_not_lacking/

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# What did we talk about?

Ascetism and poverty... Huangbo?

Eating in context.

Is there any standard for greed or gluttony or is it always relative?

Huangbo: 12. Thus, there is sensual eating and wise eating. When the body composed of the four elements suffers the pangs of hunger and accordingly you provide it with food, but without greed, that is called wise eating. On the other hand, if you gluttonously delight in purity and flavour, you are permitting the distinctions which arise from wrong thinking. Merely seeking to gratify the organ of taste without realizing when you have taken enough is called sensual eating.

"Are you cooking a frittata in a saucepan? What is this, prison?" -Schmidt

student poverty - not having a job, monk poverty - not having independence of food, zen master poverty - not having dependence on doctrine or teaching.

purpose of poverty

dependence and when it works/doesn't.

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1ou8o2m/from_the_open_thread_not_lacking/?

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# What did we talk about?

What is poverty? Zen Masters bragging on poverty of possessions vs possesion of faith/wisdom/truth.

Zhaozhou's chair brag.

Racism/sexism/bias of all kinds are negative views are similar to all kinds of "holy bias".

Drive-a-car enlightenment vs Pope Powers Activate.

Zen is the flashlight of awareness -Huineng. Wisdom is not supernatural or the right answer, but the flashlight illuminated world.

Concepts, MacGyver, Ego death, Conditioning

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1olllu9/moon_face_zen_master/

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# What did we talk about?

Social media... rZen... health... Zen has always been "social media" in it's history

95 Theses and Periodic table of the Elements as personal

Zazen and LSD appeal to schiotypical thinkers... Blyth and Suzuki and Zen do not.

Does Zen attract people with mental health problems? No.

Is social media in or out of Zen culture unhealthy? No.

Corrilation is not equal to causation

Freshman dis-orientation, pastoral life vs industrial life

Luddites and Captialism and the modern propaganda in political discourse

Philosophical/Industrial vs Religious/Authoritarian

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1op5z79/bodhidharmas_mind_pacification_from_the_dms/

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# What did we talk about?

Short term clarity, long term confusion... or contrarywise.

Mental health and transitory crisis versus chemical crisis... how separate or interdependent?

Bankei's cold spring water

Punch and Judy

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Read the History, Talk the History

#Post(s) in Question

###Post: https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/1oo6nj2/light_or_dark_recorded_sayings_of_zen_master/

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# What did we talk about?

Bright and dark: jewel and mirror. Lanka and Platform sutras have jewel in the tile? What?? The Zen Community AS A CHARACTER in koans Enlightened head monk? No name, no victory, so no? Touzi vs Zhaozhou... BUY MOR OIL "Permission" to trust, doubt and skepticism... Climbing a tower when the sign says DONT CLIMB THIS TOWER Zhaozhou as class clown... even when he is 80. Danger, doubt, and mental health.

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