Techno is a functional form of art, one which on first glance might seem highly formulaic but upon closer inspection reveals itself to be almost infinite in the number of variants in which it can appear while still feeling fresh.

Chris Liebing is a master of the style. From a starting point in the early-90s Frankfurt scene, through launching his recently-relaunched label CLR in 1999, up to his present position as one of the world's best-known Techno DJs, as comfortable playing Coachella as he is at Berghain, he has moved with the times while staying true to his self-confessed obsession with the kick drum.

In this conversation we discuss the continuing importance of record labels, the increasing irrelevance of albums (even as he releases them on Mute), the origins of Techno, the enduring appeal of DJing, the phenomenon of Tiktok, and much else besides.

Chris is such an interesting guy, with huge knowledge and experience - you will love this episode!

This week on Hotflush we welcome Closet Yi, dropping the first track from her forthcoming EP this Friday. And we celebrate the full release of Psyk's Scattered EP on Who Whom. Get involved on Bandcamp.

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