In this special extra, Charles Massy lends a little more context to his work, including an exploration of the roots of the industrial agriculture system and its effects on people, land and the rest of the living world.

Within that, the conversation pays particular attention to some of the astounding new developments around the notorious glyphosate-based herbicide RoundUp. It goes on to try to make more sense of why humankind has ended up where we are today, and of course how we can harness this understanding towards most effectively changing this dangerous trajectory.

Music:
Gone Clear, by William Tyler off his album Modern Country.

Find more:
Listen to the main episode with Charles, An Underground Insurgency (you'll find links to more info there too).

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