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Please join us at patreon.com/tortoiseshack

Rejoining us just as the Dáil shuts down for it's 18 month summer holiday and for the first time since she became her party's leader, is Soc Dems, Holly Cairns. We had plenty to catch up about.

We talked about her new role, how the Mother and Baby Home redress scheme shamefully passed into law, her concerns that Sinn Féin are trying to play all sides, her red lines for government and her feelings about the "Irish AOC" line. We also discuss the recent abuse directed at her outside the Dáil, the struggle to grow her party and I ask how just left are the Soc Dems?

The Sugar Club Live with The Ditch is out now:https://www.patreon.com/posts/patron-exclusive-86683661

(Editors note: Episode recorded and released to Patrons July 17th)