The conversation begins with a pirated clip from Vic DiBitetto's YouTube channel during which he teaches the leaders a lesson and then WE go downhill or uphill from there. Mark recites a laborious reply to a critical email received from a former listener, while Michael dispenses his reply rather quickly. If this is of no interest, conversation about experts — academic and practical — among other observations begins about 20 minutes in. As fun, comical and sarcastic as this exercise was, it did fuel some thought and off-line discussion, which is never a bad thing.