Tom Asturias is a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu under Pedro Sauer, Johnny Carlquist and James Gardner. He is also a physician's assistant who dropped in to discuss COVID-19 generally, its prevalence in Utah specifically, and to help us understand or clear up some of the information we have only been able to glean from the media, and not from anyone on the front line (excepting Keith Borg who talked with us on Ep. 115). The conversation is one of the more measured we have ever recorded, with Tom's careful and respectful use of language helping us to be more calm and precise than usual. This is a good one. Dig it.